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PostSubject: Vanguard (Lancer)   Vanguard (Lancer) EmptyTue Oct 25, 2011 11:37 pm

Hello!
I want to make my Vanguard (Lancer) a bit more usefull for high ranked games, so I'll need to tune it and probably switch some of his parts.
It must be pretty much the same thing as other Vanguards no? Anyway, can someone please tell me how I should Tune it with what parts to get the most out of it? I don't have all the parts yet, but I'll update it along the way. Even a link to a guide is fine!

Thank you whoever wants to help me out ^^!
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PostSubject: Re: Vanguard (Lancer)   Vanguard (Lancer) EmptyWed Oct 26, 2011 1:34 am

give his weapon tow slow and one grap
use laz LG,so u can have 2 BS,thats all
3 times over drive may be nice
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PostSubject: Re: Vanguard (Lancer)   Vanguard (Lancer) EmptyWed Oct 26, 2011 3:20 am

Ok, here's my first try ever with the calc. I was wondering if it was possible to have -8 TEC.
Also, is my TGH enough?
And finally, does my FLY is too low for.. Boost run? Or should I switch Boost run to something else?

Any help here would be very, very nice!

【Robot Name】
Vanguard Lancer

【Parts】
BD: Vanguard BD3
 : Lance Bit(default)
 : Vanguard LG [Great Power Alpha] [Great Power Alpha] [Great Power Alpha]
 : Vanguard HD3 [High Run] [High Run Beta] [High Run Beta]
  : Black Layer Ribbon [High Run]
  : Berry Earrings [High Run Alpha]
 : Accel Saber BS [Power] [High Run] [High Run]
 : Vanguard AM3 [High Run Beta] [High Run] [High Run]
  : Two-handed Lance [Slow] [Slow] [Grappler]

【Config Check】
COST: OK
BS: OK
LG: OK

【Stats】
TYPE: 陸
SIZE: M
COST: 1205
CAPA: 1205
HP: 420
STR: 40
TEC: -8
WLK: 40
FLY: 6
TGH: 13

LEVEL: 10

【Cartridges】
Capacity +60×7
Enhance internal weapon×2
Boost Run

【必要素材】
Hidora Cosmos×1
Fudara Cosmos×10
Midoro Cosmos×3
Blue Chip×75
Green Chip×25
Power Amp×56
Engine Shaft×102
Strike Metal×33
Shock Graphite×33
Snail Liquid×82
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PostSubject: Re: Vanguard (Lancer)   Vanguard (Lancer) EmptyWed Oct 26, 2011 3:50 am

Ur current boost run tier is brown so:
- increase to red tier
- or reduce wlk but still brown tier

If u dont know abt boost run chart then:
Spoiler:
 
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PostSubject: Re: Vanguard (Lancer)   Vanguard (Lancer) EmptyWed Oct 26, 2011 4:06 am

I wouldn't tune slow on VG actually , since you are not some 18 str meele with a alot of hits that cause slows (Ouka, Scares), instead you are have this huge arse weapon to ensure death, try this one, you are not going to make it through all your EIW anyway
【Robot Name】
Vanguard

【Parts】
BD: Vanguard BD3
 : Lance Bit(default)
 : LazFlamme LG [High Power Alpha] [High Power Alpha] [High Power Alpha]
  : Jikun BS [Power] [High Run Beta] [High Run Beta]
 : Vanguard HD3 [High Run Beta] [High Run] [High Run]
  : Black Layer Ribbon
  : Berry Earrings [High Run]
 : Jikun BS [High Run] [High Run] [High Run]
 : Vanguard AM3 [High Run] [High Run] [Run]
  : Two-handed Lance

【Config Check】
COST: OK
BS: OK
LG: OK

【Stats】
TYPE: 陸
SIZE: M
COST: 1125
CAPA: 1145
HP: 410
STR: 40
TEC: -6
WLK: 40
FLY: 8
TGH: 15

LEVEL: 10

【Cartridges】
Capacity +60×6
Enhance internal weapon
Blast Guard
Tough Runner
Boost Run

【必要素材】
Hidora Cosmos×2
Fudara Cosmos×14
Blue Chip×45
Green Chip×15
Power Amp×32
Engine Shaft×124
Shock Graphite×21
Snail Liquid×97

Not my style, you still have 20 or so capa to play around , one grappler maybe?I don't really like the tough( i want like 20-25 ish generally), but considering yours have even lower tough. this has red tier boost run, if you don't want boost run, you can save the cost
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PostSubject: Re: Vanguard (Lancer)   Vanguard (Lancer) EmptyWed Oct 26, 2011 5:04 am

@Retrias - Does mikuri have 3s Jikun BS and Lazflamme LG? They're pretty hard to get.
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PostSubject: Re: Vanguard (Lancer)   Vanguard (Lancer) EmptyWed Oct 26, 2011 5:11 am

vanguards need 3CV,It can help u live longer and kill more.
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PostSubject: Re: Vanguard (Lancer)   Vanguard (Lancer) EmptyWed Oct 26, 2011 6:09 am

Retrias and LXE -> Thanks for the input Smile! Unfortunately, I don't own even 1 Jikun BS and my Laz LG is 1s only... So I would benefit in getting into red. What's the 40_6 and 40_8 difference?

And as Vencent said, I kinda need 3CV, I always use them most of the time ^^

But it's fun to know that even -8 TEC is not a problem, saves me the trouble to get it at 0 ~
I'll try to play around and get this red thing you were talking about n.n

I'll repost here when I'll find something n.n

Thank you very much <3
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PostSubject: Re: Vanguard (Lancer)   Vanguard (Lancer) EmptyWed Oct 26, 2011 7:25 am

3 cv is expensive, i ussually live long enough to kill things with no CV, we are talking of red tier boost run. See the chart that tggt posted?, find your walk and fly combination there, for every tier/color change. There is a speed increase, you want brown or red, but mostly Red for this case, Cveil tune makes you unable to reach red tier OR 40 STR, you have a shield anyway

@LXE
There is always that problem, you can replace 3 slotted jikun with 3 slotted katana max, ends up with 2 less tough iirc
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PostSubject: Re: Vanguard (Lancer)   Vanguard (Lancer) EmptyWed Oct 26, 2011 9:32 am

My Lancer has (actually, was supposed to, but is lacking 1 tune) 40/37/29 (I think that it's 37, if not 38). No negative Fly, 2 internals, 1 other cart I think (maybe short boost, but was considering in changing to blast guard), no weapon tunes, no CV.
Some tunes are Great tunes, because even with Thoarla LG and another booster, there wasn't enough slots. XDDD

Is it good? Don't ask me. Never really bothered in testing, and it's not even leveled (only level 6, and the only exp that it gets is from dispatches).
I just ended up not liking the bot as much, though I can always use the parts on something else anyway. I just wanted at least 2 tuned melee bots in case I needed or wanted to play with 1, didn't really tuned it to be regularly used.

Oh, and the tec is around -16. lol!
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PostSubject: Re: Vanguard (Lancer)   Vanguard (Lancer) EmptyWed Oct 26, 2011 10:10 am

VGs can have -41 tec for all i care, tec for VG is a dump stat after all, God is cat girl, you may want to try lazflame leg, same thing but smaller
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PostSubject: Re: Vanguard (Lancer)   Vanguard (Lancer) EmptyWed Oct 26, 2011 11:11 am

@Retrias wrote:
VGs can have -41 tec for all i care, tec for VG is a dump stat after all, God is cat girl, you may want to try lazflame leg, same thing but smaller
No 3 slots version. So I wouldn't be able to get the same stats with a 2s version (and HP would never be the same).

I happened to have 3 Thoarlas from Sugoi that I wasn't really using the LG for anything (tuned that is so. I have a 0s as well), plus another 3s from Frazia (without the damn AM3).
It's not like making me slightly smaller will do anything. If people are to hit me, they will hit me.
So, yeah, the part does it's job anyway, since I had no other parts to put in it's place.
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PostSubject: Re: Vanguard (Lancer)   Vanguard (Lancer) EmptyWed Oct 26, 2011 11:30 am

the force is low in lance compared with other vanguards,therefore lancer neednt too much force tune and str.wut he need are the speed of the weapon and the buff.
2 slow and 1 speed can give u a surprise,and 2 internal is better for him!
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PostSubject: Re: Vanguard (Lancer)   Vanguard (Lancer) EmptyWed Oct 26, 2011 12:23 pm

tggt wrote:
Ur current boost run tier is brown so:
- increase to red tier
- or reduce wlk but still brown tier

If u dont know abt boost run chart then:
Spoiler:
 

Spoiler:
 

Now what.
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PostSubject: Re: Vanguard (Lancer)   Vanguard (Lancer) EmptyWed Oct 26, 2011 1:23 pm

My build still 40/8, still red tier, Maybe I should pull boost run off my baron, and go 40 walk
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PostSubject: Re: Vanguard (Lancer)   Vanguard (Lancer) EmptyThu Oct 27, 2011 1:33 am

@/dev/random wrote:


Spoiler:
 

Now what.
new chart ?
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