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PostSubject: Re: The "Quit Doing That" Guide   Wed Aug 31, 2011 1:53 pm

DOS seems better about that than WIZ, at least.

WIZ loves leaving their PS alone completely once the enemy team's BP goes below 20k.

I fear we're starting to turn this into a "rant about how much our unions suck at epoch" thread though. Should probably take that to a different thread.
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PostSubject: Re: The "Quit Doing That" Guide   Wed Aug 31, 2011 1:57 pm

Yeah, we could go all night on this. I just needed to let it out. Anyways, 2am on my side. See ya.
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PostSubject: Re: The "Quit Doing That" Guide   Wed Aug 31, 2011 5:10 pm

People need to stop ignoring breakers, as well as start bringing non-homing-anti-air weapons to epoch. I'm getting really tired of seeing a seraph fly circles around 20 people that apparently lack a handy zooka between them.
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PostSubject: Re: The "Quit Doing That" Guide   Thu Sep 01, 2011 3:52 am

Kitouski and other reply member

would you guy mind if i will translate some of your post?
it seem useful in CBTH, i hope my server will get any better even with little low hope.......

@Suguri wrote:
Suzeku wisps are fundamentally different. You could see them as more like pulse missiles or AG missiles, and they still require some aim. Also, being a main weapon, you don't have your movement restricted by using them.

Izuna wisps are completely autopilot, and you're forced into flying in one direction during the firing. There's absolutely no skill involved on your end regarding whether you hit or not, it's just making a crap shoot while spamming right click. And against someone that isn't comatose, your izuna wisps will probably stop hitting after the first salvo since their homing is pretty...bad, to say the least.

When using Wisp, your bot will automatic fly into one direction and shoot wisp, sometime this cause disaster to user.
i agree it damn annoy to have those freaking purple homing beam fly around, even i'm using Izuna i mostly never spam it.

not try to boast myself but seem i'm the only one who know how to shoot wisp backward and sideway, make all of them homing into single direction.


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PostSubject: Re: The "Quit Doing That" Guide   Thu Sep 01, 2011 4:20 am

@FreedomFighter wrote:
Kitouski and other reply member

would you guy mind if i will translate some of your post?
it seem useful in CBTH, i hope my server will get any better even with little low hope.......

@Suguri wrote:
Suzeku wisps are fundamentally different. You could see them as more like pulse missiles or AG missiles, and they still require some aim. Also, being a main weapon, you don't have your movement restricted by using them.

Izuna wisps are completely autopilot, and you're forced into flying in one direction during the firing. There's absolutely no skill involved on your end regarding whether you hit or not, it's just making a crap shoot while spamming right click. And against someone that isn't comatose, your izuna wisps will probably stop hitting after the first salvo since their homing is pretty...bad, to say the least.

When using Wisp, your bot will automatic fly into one direction and shoot wisp, sometime this cause disaster to user.
i agree it damn annoy to have those freaking purple homing beam fly around, even i'm using Izuna i mostly never spam it.

not try to boast myself but seem i'm the only one who know how to shoot wisp backward and sideway, make all of them homing into single direction.

Quit.
Quit CBTH.

and izuna bs' doesnt do shit
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PostSubject: Re: The "Quit Doing That" Guide   Thu Sep 01, 2011 4:29 am

Basically, if you're a skilled wisp user, you use it for utility. Fly above a hopper and watch it work against him due to his lack of movement, since.being directly above him negates the benefits of hopping.

Knowing who to wisp and from where, timing it, and having people to distract your target...

Its viable. I love wisping if I have the option to.
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PostSubject: Re: The "Quit Doing That" Guide   Thu Sep 01, 2011 7:09 am

@Nisa wrote:


Quit.
Quit CBTH.

and izuna bs' doesnt do shit

But Izuna can give me erected.
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PostSubject: Re: The "Quit Doing That" Guide   Thu Sep 01, 2011 8:23 am

@Suguri wrote:
DOS seems better about that than WIZ, at least.

WIZ loves leaving their PS alone completely once the enemy team's BP goes below 20k.

I fear we're starting to turn this into a "rant about how much our unions suck at epoch" thread though. Should probably take that to a different thread.
I only play epoch VS DOS (I only go to BRD if there is no free slots), and WIZ leaves the PS unguarded since the beginning most of the time. D;
Though I don't see the problem of having an healer on epoch (even less of a problem against DOS on offense). Heal the PS when you should, no people attacking it? Heal the players.

Since DOS on Defense (for dos) only has like, 5 people till much later, having an healer on WIZ side help us to keep or BR without major losses, so when they finally attack we can feed and risk a lot more (just don't risk losing the PS. >_>).

When WIZ is on Defense, and it's VS DOS, it gets really boring to play as art when no one cares about the PS anymore.
Many times I was guarding 1 PS, while the 2nd PS behind me was being attacked. When I notice it, it's already too late, because their PS breaker is damn fast thanks to the buff. How am I supposed to guard 2 PS's? scratch
So I started using a melee as the 1st bot, go kill some of them, try to last as long as I can, and die when they start attacking so I can pick my art and defend the PS.
I really don't like to spend almost 10 minutes alone and almost defenseless just because no one cares. People don't change? I stop caring as well.

Wiz doing it right: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70YRtyejMmw

Much before that video was made, I tried to tell people to do exactly like they did on that video. On the 1st try, people listened to me (somehow), and most did it like I said, we won.
I tried a few more times after that, people wouldn't listen to me and just feed the pit. We lost most of them.
I am not such a good player, but you don't need to play that well to know how to win on certain maps. Just look at the map, play a few times and you will see where to strike first and where to go next.

Stop feeding the pit on the defense line maps, you won't do any good by jumping to the pit (falling is alright, it happens, but people actually jump to the pit).


I use a right clicking homing bot because of the lag when the room is full. D;
Before I could still use a railgun, so I could right click and hit Seraphs. But the lag got worse, and I decided to use cheaper weapons (Handy zook right now. Tried others but were no good).
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PostSubject: Re: The "Quit Doing That" Guide   Thu Sep 01, 2011 12:48 pm

You are joking. BRD has the worse Epoch def out of anyone.

All we do is either -
1. Run around with vanguard fencer and get like 12 frags and not care about protection or anything at all. JUST GET MORE FRAGS! Herp derp.
2. Camp at the ps and complain when hit by meteor and firepillar.
3. Camp at random place and expect something to happen.
4. Farm trees or whatever and then team meteor and team firepillar.
5. Just die.
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PostSubject: Re: The "Quit Doing That" Guide   Thu Sep 01, 2011 1:14 pm

We all have qualms about the methods of our respective unions. We can talk about it on some other thread, this thread deserves to flourish.
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PostSubject: Re: The "Quit Doing That" Guide   Thu Sep 01, 2011 1:39 pm

@BNOISE wrote:
You are joking. BRD has the worse Epoch def out of anyone.

All we do is either -
1. Run around with vanguard fencer and get like 12 frags and not care about protection or anything at all. JUST GET MORE FRAGS! Herp derp.
2. Camp at the ps and complain when hit by meteor and firepillar.
3. Camp at random place and expect something to happen.
4. Farm trees or whatever and then team meteor and team firepillar.
5. Just die.
doing those can get u 5k dmg and 0 cost in epoch Smile
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PostSubject: Re: The "Quit Doing That" Guide   Fri Sep 09, 2011 12:38 pm

Stop stealing ammo supply items from me if you're running a melee bot.

You don't need them.

I do.
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PostSubject: Re: The "Quit Doing That" Guide   Sat Sep 10, 2011 2:06 am

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Stop stealing ammo supply items from me if you're running a melee bot.

You don't need them.

I do.

Share your items if you don't need them desperately.

But this will never happen, EN's players usually have the IQ of a fucking clump of mold.
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PostSubject: Re: The "Quit Doing That" Guide   Sat Sep 10, 2011 2:12 am

I had 3 repair kits given to me today when I needed it. THERE IS HOPE YET.

.... or something.
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PostSubject: Re: The "Quit Doing That" Guide   Sat Sep 10, 2011 2:22 am

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I had 3 repair kits given to me today when I needed it. THERE IS HOPE YET.

.... or something.

No fucking way.
I DONT BELIEVE YOU
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PostSubject: Re: The "Quit Doing That" Guide   Sat Sep 10, 2011 2:37 am

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@Yokura wrote:
I had 3 repair kits given to me today when I needed it. THERE IS HOPE YET.

.... or something.

No fucking way.
I DONT BELIEVE YOU
The day a CBen player gives you something when you need it, the world will crumble

Happens more often than you would think, generally once you've demonstrated you're not brain-dead, competent players will dump items for you. I'll drop stuff for people if they have a bot that can put them to better use.
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PostSubject: Re: The "Quit Doing That" Guide   Sat Sep 10, 2011 3:26 am

yeah, i got 2 repair kit from team mates for my 22 hp left melee bot yesterday
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PostSubject: Re: The "Quit Doing That" Guide   Sat Sep 10, 2011 2:12 pm

@Kauhava wrote:
Stop stealing ammo supply items from me if you're running a melee bot.

You don't need them.

I do.

I've heard Vanguards with full Internal Ups can use ammo refill to refill their overdrives.

That's the only exception I can think of.
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PostSubject: Re: The "Quit Doing That" Guide   Sat Sep 10, 2011 2:45 pm

@Kitouski wrote:
@Kauhava wrote:
Stop stealing ammo supply items from me if you're running a melee bot.

You don't need them.

I do.

I've heard Vanguards with full Internal Ups can use ammo refill to refill their overdrives.

That's the only exception I can think of.
Kuten always appreciates Fujinken ammo.

I like having more raid rifle ammo on Elisalotte.

If the Vanguard thing is true, Ivis could probably use them too.
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PostSubject: Re: The "Quit Doing That" Guide   Sat Sep 10, 2011 3:17 pm

@Suguri wrote:
@Kitouski wrote:
@Kauhava wrote:
Stop stealing ammo supply items from me if you're running a melee bot.

You don't need them.

I do.

I've heard Vanguards with full Internal Ups can use ammo refill to refill their overdrives.

That's the only exception I can think of.
Kuten always appreciates Fujinken ammo.

I like having more raid rifle ammo on Elisalotte.

If the Vanguard thing is true, Ivis could probably use them too.

i do that when i get my hands on ammo refill with my vanguard, i didnt manage to live through all 10 charges though, cause most of the time there is no healer and i die at about 8 or 9 uses of the buff ... or the game ends before i can use them all Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: The "Quit Doing That" Guide   Sat Sep 10, 2011 3:37 pm

@Suguri wrote:
@Kitouski wrote:
@Kauhava wrote:
Stop stealing ammo supply items from me if you're running a melee bot.

You don't need them.

I do.

I've heard Vanguards with full Internal Ups can use ammo refill to refill their overdrives.

That's the only exception I can think of.
Kuten always appreciates Fujinken ammo.

I like having more raid rifle ammo on Elisalotte.

If the Vanguard thing is true, Ivis could probably use them too.
Geo AM3 and JHam are also some obvious exceptions Embarassed
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PostSubject: Re: The "Quit Doing That" Guide   Sat Sep 10, 2011 5:12 pm

Most things with ammo capacity counts can be recharged with Shell Supply. Seraph Crimrose BS2 and all variants is the only exception I can think of, though there are probably others.
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PostSubject: Re: The "Quit Doing That" Guide   Sat Sep 10, 2011 5:31 pm

@FireKiller87 wrote:
Most things with ammo capacity counts can be recharged with Shell Supply. Seraph Crimrose BS2 and all variants is the only exception I can think of, though there are probably others.
Elisalotte's aura can't be refilled. I can't think of anymore either scratch
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PostSubject: Re: The "Quit Doing That" Guide   Sat Sep 10, 2011 5:38 pm

@FireKiller87 wrote:
Most things with ammo capacity counts can be recharged with Shell Supply. Seraph Crimrose BS2 and all variants is the only exception I can think of, though there are probably others.
What I've been told is, it needs to have 5 or more ammo for it to be refilled.

But Ah-chan's Full Boost can't be refilled, so...I'm not sure.
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PostSubject: Re: The "Quit Doing That" Guide   Sat Sep 10, 2011 9:18 pm

@Suguri wrote:
@FireKiller87 wrote:
Most things with ammo capacity counts can be recharged with Shell Supply. Seraph Crimrose BS2 and all variants is the only exception I can think of, though there are probably others.
What I've been told is, it needs to have 5 or more ammo for it to be refilled.

But Ah-chan's Full Boost can't be refilled, so...I'm not sure.

It's likely got something to do with the fact that they grant special effects to their users.
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