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PostSubject: Re: Elisalotte   Sat May 21, 2011 1:29 am

@Nisa wrote:
@boytitan2 wrote:
junk her theres your best tip


You don't junk novelty bots,silly titan.

Also,that pathetic walk + low cost
She's 1220 with capacity carts.

EDIT: Sorry, 1225.

Threw together an example build to show how shitty she is. Note that I didn't even reach lv10 with her.

【Robot Name】
Elisalotte

【Parts】
BD: Elisalotte BD
 WB: AURA System(default)
 LG: Elisalotte LG [High Power Alpha]
 HD: Elisalotte HD [High Power Alpha] [High Run Alpha]
  HDAC: Black Layer Ribbon [High Power Alpha]
  FCAC: Berry Earrings [High Power Alpha]
 BS: Elisalotte BS [High Power Alpha] [High Power Alpha]
 AM: Elisalotte AM [High Power Alpha] [High Power Alpha]
  WP: Princess Chivalry [Slow] [Great Grappler Alpha] [Great Grappler Alpha]
 AM: Elisalotte AM2 [High Run Alpha] [High Run Alpha]
  WP: Buckler [High Run Alpha]

【Config Check】
COST: OK
BS: OK
LG: OK

【Stats】
TYPE: 陸
SIZE: S
COST: 1225
CAPA: 1225
HP: 391
STR: 38
TEC: 7
WLK: 21
FLY: 2
TGH: 10

LEVEL: 9

【Cartridges】
Capacity +70×6
Enhance internal weapon×2
Short Boost

【必要素材】
Fudara Cosmos×12
Threede Cosmos×2
Fourda Cosmos×1
Blue Chip×80
Yellow Chip×40
Green Chip×40
Rainbow Chip×19
Power Amp×72
Engine Shaft×36
Strike Metal×18
Rapid Crystal×27
Shock Graphite×56
Snail Liquid×91
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PostSubject: Re: Elisalotte   Sat May 21, 2011 2:06 am



desperate times come for desperate measures.

yeah i just completed a haku run so i hadn't remove the combo dagger yet


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PostSubject: Re: Elisalotte   Sat May 21, 2011 2:22 am

@LordShade wrote:


desperate times come for desperate measures.

I don't get it...
I would slap on a gun instead.
The only reason I would use her over fencer is cause she got a free hand for a gun.

And that COST! Evil or Very Mad

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PostSubject: Re: Elisalotte   Sat May 21, 2011 4:08 am

@LordShade wrote:


desperate times come for desperate measures.

yeah i just completed a haku run so i hadn't remove the combo dagger yet

with 8 TGH you can be get stunned again and again nowadays Neutral
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PostSubject: Re: Elisalotte   Sat May 21, 2011 5:34 am

yeah. i know.

considering forgoing strength improvements cause if i hit them in the back its a good 56 damage so i might slam the rest of her cost after upgrades into TGH.
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PostSubject: Re: Elisalotte   Sat May 21, 2011 7:15 pm




hmm do you guys think 1k4 cost is too much? Surprised
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PostSubject: Re: Elisalotte   Sat May 21, 2011 7:25 pm

@Lyala wrote:



hmm do you guys think 1k4 cost is too much? Surprised

yes depends on your secondary weapon tho...
but for those stats yes cause your tgh is like Evil or Very Mad
maxed out vanguard has better stats than that and only goes up to 1300...
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PostSubject: Re: Elisalotte   Sat May 21, 2011 7:28 pm

Why would you give her so many capacity tunes.

And she's not meant to be a VF or any gimmicky bot, Elisa and Melfie are a word that we so rarely hear these days.

Balanced.
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PostSubject: Re: Elisalotte   Sat May 21, 2011 7:36 pm

because Elisa is cuter than VF of course =P even if i put a misside hd polygoned on VF, it is still not as sexy as elisa xD
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PostSubject: Re: Elisalotte   Sat May 21, 2011 7:45 pm

@Lyala wrote:
because Elisa is cuter than VF of course =P even if i put a misside hd polygoned on VF, it is still not as sexy as elisa xD

That and VF can't use swords of revealing light xD
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PostSubject: Re: Elisalotte   Sat May 21, 2011 8:38 pm

@knyx wrote:
Why would you give her so many capacity tunes.

And she's not meant to be a VF or any gimmicky bot, Elisa and Melfie are a word that we so rarely hear these days.

Balanced.
From a supporting standpoint, Melfi's overpowered. From a combat standpoint, she's balanced. She won't get nerfed and probably won't get buffed, because she does what she's supposed to better than any other healer.

Elisa on the other hand is pure crap. Don't call her balanced, with stats like hers she should be a UC bot, and even then I doubt I'd buy her willingly for anything beyond appearances. I heard the JP playerbase is really pushing to have her buffed too, so hopefully that changes soon. But until then, she isn't worth anything beyond novelty.
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PostSubject: Re: Elisalotte   Sat May 21, 2011 9:07 pm

@Suguri wrote:
@knyx wrote:
Why would you give her so many capacity tunes.

And she's not meant to be a VF or any gimmicky bot, Elisa and Melfie are a word that we so rarely hear these days.

Balanced.
From a supporting standpoint, Melfi's overpowered. From a combat standpoint, she's balanced. She won't get nerfed and probably won't get buffed, because she does what she's supposed to better than any other healer.

Elisa on the other hand is pure crap. Don't call her balanced, with stats like hers she should be a UC bot, and even then I doubt I'd buy her willingly for anything beyond appearances. I heard the JP playerbase is really pushing to have her buffed too, so hopefully that changes soon. But until then, she isn't worth anything beyond novelty.

make her sword do more dmg thats all its not hard to make her good tho tune her sword for focre tunr her str to 40 and its usable its just to much work

side note any melee that doesnt due 70-150 dmg first hit is fail

melee is supposed to be insta kill thats the general rule to shooting games
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PostSubject: Re: Elisalotte   Sat May 21, 2011 9:19 pm

@boytitan2 wrote:


make her sword do more dmg thats all its not hard to make her good tho tune her sword for focre tunr her str to 40 and its usable its just to much work

side note any melee that doesnt due 70-150 dmg first hit is fail

melee is supposed to be insta kill thats the general rule to shooting games


jikun tele spammer being an exception

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PostSubject: Re: Elisalotte   Sat May 21, 2011 9:41 pm

@Suguri wrote:
@knyx wrote:
Why would you give her so many capacity tunes.

And she's not meant to be a VF or any gimmicky bot, Elisa and Melfie are a word that we so rarely hear these days.

Balanced.
From a supporting standpoint, Melfi's overpowered. From a combat standpoint, she's balanced. She won't get nerfed and probably won't get buffed, because she does what she's supposed to better than any other healer.

Elisa on the other hand is pure crap. Don't call her balanced, with stats like hers she should be a UC bot, and even then I doubt I'd buy her willingly for anything beyond appearances. I heard the JP playerbase is really pushing to have her buffed too, so hopefully that changes soon. But until then, she isn't worth anything beyond novelty.

I compared the Ouka and Elisa in cosmicalc (only way to for me), and their base stats look decent with all default parts, what sets Ouka apart from Elisa though are:

-Ouka sword is better over all, and has a main weapon integrated
-Ouka has better capa carts (+80 25) vs Elisa (+70 25)
-Ouka has better core stats, that is, less dependant on her parts, and can swap out parts for optimizing.
-Ouka LG has an extra BS slot
-Elisa can use another handheld weapon/shield
-Ouka has a shoulder shield

Other than that both their BD-related weapons are flashy and have no real use.

So I tried making some gimmick builds with both of them, and I can see why Ouka is much more preferable to Elisa
http://koi-sama.net/cb/?Ear0r6BDhLS29iLGhS38mjPnP7opDhub@RjRpDACh89@R4iFCACh30@RnP4o3rCP3lc@P1qd@PSjPS4leqflgr34*6rC20|lisalotte|ndefined|ndefined|ndefined|ndefined|ndefined|ndefined|%3A|%7C|4%2C|iBSh|iAMhu|@PjP|4kJ5@|kS26m|jR4iH|iWPhu|%2

She tunes to 40WLK 40 STR easily and doesn't bottom out on fly, and can fit boost run and 2 status inflicting tunes on her sword. Now Elisa isn't so great:

http://koi-sama.net/cb/?Ea%20%26BDhLS37iLGhubmDhucmDACh89@lFCACh30@lBShS47nodnque@B3of@R4pgB3qSO1@B3pp%233*6g6*2g20|lisalotte|ndefined|ndefined|ndefined|ndefined|ndefined|%2C|%3A|%7C|P4gP4|R4gR4|P4i|@jglH|@kgR4|iAMhu|gR3|iWPh

Barely 40WLK 40 STR and she tanked out on FLY so I had to tune a few boosts, and I couldn't slow or drain her blade.

(Not the best builds for both but I think it does illustrates your point)
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PostSubject: Re: Elisalotte   Sat May 21, 2011 11:07 pm

@knyx wrote:

Other than that both their BD-related weapons are flashy and have no real use.
This is the fun part, because by some cruel twist of fate you're forced to use Elisa's if you don't want your wonder bit to stop working.

Waiting for next maintenance before I do anything with mine again.
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PostSubject: Re: Elisalotte   Sat May 21, 2011 11:16 pm

@Suguri wrote:
@knyx wrote:

Other than that both their BD-related weapons are flashy and have no real use.
This is the fun part, because by some cruel twist of fate you're forced to use Elisa's if you don't want your wonder bit to stop working.

Waiting for next maintenance before I do anything with mine again.

I'm calling a buff to all her stats to make her OP. or maybe her sword will magically gain 7 force
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PostSubject: Re: Elisalotte   Sat May 21, 2011 11:57 pm

I would make it a hopper if I had enough willingness and Rt for it. For the other side, I believe it's good to have to invest effort and resources into something to make it perform well unlike certain sugoi gara's gold balls which are damn good with their raw core stats and available carts.
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PostSubject: Re: Elisalotte   Mon May 23, 2011 9:04 am

maybe this work, idk
10 TGH is uber weak nowadays but with speed and damage, maybe you can do smt


【Robot Name】
Elisalotte

【Parts】
BD: Elisalotte BD
 WB: AURA System(default)
 LG: Elisalotte LG [High Power Alpha] [High Power Alpha] [High Power Alpha]
 HD: Elisalotte HD [High Power Alpha] [High Power Alpha] [High Power Alpha]
  HDAC: Black Layer Ribbon [High Power Alpha]
  FCAC: Berry Earrings
 BS: Elisalotte BS
 AM: Elisalotte AM [Great Run Beta] [High Run Beta] [High Run Beta]
  WP: Princess Chivalry [Great Grappler Alpha] [Great Grappler Alpha] [Great Grappler Alpha]
 AM: Elisalotte AM2 [High Run Beta] [High Run Beta] [High Run Beta]
  WP: Buckler

【Config Check】
COST: OK
BS: OK
LG: OK

【Stats】
TYPE: 陸
SIZE: S
COST: 1225
CAPA: 1225
HP: 391
STR: 36
TEC: 2
WLK: 26
FLY: 2
TGH: 10

LEVEL: 10

【Cartridges】
Capacity +70×6
Enhance internal weapon
Sword Guard
Blast Guard
Boost Run

【必要素材】
Fudara Cosmos×12
Midoro Cosmos×1
Threede Cosmos×3
Blue Chip×110
Yellow Chip×60
Green Chip×40
Power Amp×63
Engine Shaft×38
Strike Metal×27
Drum Magazine×7
Shock Graphite×49
Snail Liquid×60
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PostSubject: Re: Elisalotte   Mon May 23, 2011 10:03 am

@SkyPanic wrote:
maybe this work, idk
10 TGH is uber weak nowadays but with speed and damage, maybe you can do smt


【Robot Name】
Elisalotte

【Parts】
BD: Elisalotte BD
 WB: AURA System(default)
 LG: Elisalotte LG [High Power Alpha] [High Power Alpha] [High Power Alpha]
 HD: Elisalotte HD [High Power Alpha] [High Power Alpha] [High Power Alpha]
  HDAC: Black Layer Ribbon [High Power Alpha]
  FCAC: Berry Earrings
 BS: Elisalotte BS
 AM: Elisalotte AM [Great Run Beta] [High Run Beta] [High Run Beta]
  WP: Princess Chivalry [Great Grappler Alpha] [Great Grappler Alpha] [Great Grappler Alpha]
 AM: Elisalotte AM2 [High Run Beta] [High Run Beta] [High Run Beta]
  WP: Buckler

【Config Check】
COST: OK
BS: OK
LG: OK

【Stats】
TYPE: 陸
SIZE: S
COST: 1225
CAPA: 1225
HP: 391
STR: 36
TEC: 2
WLK: 26
FLY: 2
TGH: 10

LEVEL: 10

【Cartridges】
Capacity +70×6
Enhance internal weapon
Sword Guard
Blast Guard
Boost Run

【必要素材】
Fudara Cosmos×12
Midoro Cosmos×1
Threede Cosmos×3
Blue Chip×110
Yellow Chip×60
Green Chip×40
Power Amp×63
Engine Shaft×38
Strike Metal×27
Drum Magazine×7
Shock Graphite×49
Snail Liquid×60

Boost run with 2 fly? That's like normal running speed.
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PostSubject: Re: Elisalotte   Mon May 23, 2011 11:03 am

hmm should i put great grappler or slow on sword? Surprised
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PostSubject: Re: Elisalotte   Mon May 23, 2011 11:13 am

@Lyala wrote:
hmm should i put great grappler or slow on sword? Surprised

Probably status effects like slow and drain, since you're not a VF and can't expect to take someone down in 2 hits, you do have a longer combo like Ouka and status effects have more chances to act.
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PostSubject: Re: Elisalotte   Mon May 23, 2011 11:44 am

okay, let me know what you think of this build ( i know it is high cost! xD)

I just let the tec drop since she is not a bit user... and dont plan to use her core's bit that much so didnt get cartige

【Robot Name】
Elisalotte

【Parts】
BD: Elisalotte BD
 WB: AURA System(default)
 LG: Elisalotte LG [Capacity] [High Capacity] [Capacity]
 HD: Elisalotte HD [Great Run Beta] [Great Run Beta] [Great Run Beta]
  HDAC: Mini Pumpkin Hat [High Power Alpha]
  FCAC: Berry Earrings [High Power Alpha]
 BS: Misty Hollow BS [High Boost Alpha] [High Run Beta] [Great Power Alpha]
 AM: Elisalotte AM [Great Run] [High Run Beta] [Great Power Alpha]
  WP: Princess Chivalry [Slow] [Slow] [Great Power Alpha]
 AM: Elisalotte AM2 [Great Run Beta] [Great Run Beta] [High Boost Alpha]
  WP: Buckler

【Config Check】
COST: OK
BS: OK
LG: OK

【Stats】
TYPE: 陸
SIZE: S
COST: 1405
CAPA: 1405
HP: 386
STR: 34
TEC: -2
WLK: 35
FLY: 5
TGH: 10

LEVEL: 10

【Cartridges】
Capacity +70×6
Shell Guard
Sword Guard
Blast Guard
Boost Run

【必要素材】
Fudara Cosmos×6
Midoro Cosmos×25
Yoguru Cosmos×5
Fourda Cosmos×2
Blue Chip×165
Yellow Chip×20
Green Chip×85
Rainbow Chip×78
Power Amp×869
Engine Shaft×496
Turbo Charger×18
Physical Stone×300
Strike Metal×33
Rapid Crystal×54
Drum Magazine×64
Shock Graphite×47
Snail Liquid×87
Prism Glass×200
Screw Bolts×400
Steel Wheel×100
Miracle Ammonite×80
Shining Feather×80
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PostSubject: Re: Elisalotte   Mon May 23, 2011 12:14 pm

Don't tank her TEC, remember she has aura system as a WB.
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PostSubject: Re: Elisalotte   Mon May 23, 2011 12:34 pm

@knyx wrote:
Don't tank her TEC, remember she has aura system as a WB.
Remember also that her primary bit drain comes from her meleeing, though. Even at 1 tec 40 str you have at least a minute of bit active time without slashing, and it's refillable by using sword rain. Don't let tec go to 0 or lower, but 1 tec is perfectly fine.
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PostSubject: Re: Elisalotte   Mon May 23, 2011 12:55 pm

@Lyala wrote:
okay, let me know what you think of this build ( i know it is high cost! xD)

I just let the tec drop since she is not a bit user... and dont plan to use her core's bit that much so didnt get cartige

【Robot Name】
Elisalotte

【Parts】
BD: Elisalotte BD
 WB: AURA System(default)
 LG: Elisalotte LG [Capacity] [High Capacity] [Capacity]
 HD: Elisalotte HD [Great Run Beta] [Great Run Beta] [Great Run Beta]
  HDAC: Mini Pumpkin Hat [High Power Alpha]
  FCAC: Berry Earrings [High Power Alpha]
 BS: Misty Hollow BS [High Boost Alpha] [High Run Beta] [Great Power Alpha]
 AM: Elisalotte AM [Great Run] [High Run Beta] [Great Power Alpha]
  WP: Princess Chivalry [Slow] [Slow] [Great Power Alpha]
 AM: Elisalotte AM2 [Great Run Beta] [Great Run Beta] [High Boost Alpha]
  WP: Buckler

【Config Check】
COST: OK
BS: OK
LG: OK

【Stats】
TYPE: 陸
SIZE: S
COST: 1405
CAPA: 1405
HP: 386
STR: 34
TEC: -2
WLK: 35
FLY: 5
TGH: 10

LEVEL: 10

【Cartridges】
Capacity +70×6
Shell Guard
Sword Guard
Blast Guard
Boost Run

【必要素材】
Fudara Cosmos×6
Midoro Cosmos×25
Yoguru Cosmos×5
Fourda Cosmos×2
Blue Chip×165
Yellow Chip×20
Green Chip×85
Rainbow Chip×78
Power Amp×869
Engine Shaft×496
Turbo Charger×18
Physical Stone×300
Strike Metal×33
Rapid Crystal×54
Drum Magazine×64
Shock Graphite×47
Snail Liquid×87
Prism Glass×200
Screw Bolts×400
Steel Wheel×100
Miracle Ammonite×80
Shining Feather×80

this bot is not worth for capa tune

and shell guard for what ?
- TEC ...

-> fail build
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