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PostSubject: Elisalotte   Thu May 19, 2011 11:54 am



Discuss.

25WLK 7Fly + boost run?

should I go for 40 STR?

should I great grappler that sword?

what should I do with her. what carts should I pick?

Elisalotte discussion as well.
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PostSubject: Re: Elisalotte   Thu May 19, 2011 12:11 pm

I would also like to know a good way to tune her.

If you go 40 str then you'll probably spend 10/18 tunes on str alone. leaving 8 (3 on weapon) slots left
with the rest on walk? maybe put more damage on the sword?

what about putting in tgh and walk and be a tank. I'm not too sure the damage between 20 str and 40 str but could work.

there is an all around route, with ~32 str, ~25 walk

I see people going the str route but I don't think the tank route is that bad. Any more ideas?
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PostSubject: Re: Elisalotte   Thu May 19, 2011 12:18 pm

Just tune for the same as fencer, then shield up and troll the enemy PS
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PostSubject: Re: Elisalotte   Thu May 19, 2011 2:02 pm

gonna kill all female fencers out there...
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PostSubject: Re: Elisalotte   Thu May 19, 2011 5:11 pm

She's practically identical to Ouka. You're a speedy stunlocker with shields.

40 str, 33 wlk, rest in tgh. Tune sword for high glad and/or slow.

Also, get both internals. Only one bit use is sadface.
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PostSubject: Re: Elisalotte   Thu May 19, 2011 5:17 pm

I don't have her, and don't think I ever will get her, but you never know with this game.

Wouldn't tuning to 40 STR bring you (likely, haven't really looked into it) to 1 TEC, and make your AURA time suffer? Or does hers work differently?
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PostSubject: Re: Elisalotte   Thu May 19, 2011 6:23 pm

@Raven wrote:
I don't have her, and don't think I ever will get her, but you never know with this game.

Wouldn't tuning to 40 STR bring you (likely, haven't really looked into it) to 1 TEC, and make your AURA time suffer? Or does hers work differently?

basically you are immune for like 1second when she activates aura mode.

and her aura mode goes down normally, but also goes down everytime you use a sword slash, a certain chunk per slash.

@Suguri wrote:
She's practically identical to Ouka. You're a speedy stunlocker with shields.

40 str, 33 wlk, rest in tgh. Tune sword for high glad and/or slow.

Also, get both internals. Only one bit use is sadface.

25 WLK 7 FLY + boost run is good for speed? cause 33 WLK doesn't seem that fast, unless at that point my fly will be zero. Trying to keep at least some resemblance of speed. So somebody told me having at least a little fly is a drastic improvement.

i'll check out how much cost she has all up when I farm her to level 10 on the weekend. assuming all internal + all capa upgrades which is 8 levels already, + boost run... OH SHIT she gets Broad Radar

Want.
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PostSubject: Re: Elisalotte   Thu May 19, 2011 8:58 pm

Dang, now if only that gara didn't have such cruddy rates. The AURA mode was a turn off for me but hearing that it works kinda like overdrive mode for Dark Spore makes me think otherwise...

And I think it's buil her exactly Ouka by the sound of things...
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PostSubject: Re: Elisalotte   Thu May 19, 2011 9:00 pm

elisa 's problem is her low stat at both WLK FLY TGH made her hard to tune alpha/beta WLK and TGH

unless she got around 24-26 WLK and 20 TGH, a MBG can easy win against her because every punch ll stunned elisa when elisa can't stun MBG at all
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PostSubject: Re: Elisalotte   Thu May 19, 2011 9:10 pm

Lots of other bots have issues with low stats, but it doesn't stop people from minmaxing stats on em. It's a bigger roadblock for the average player though.

And maybe MBG might outstun Eli... The thing about melee vs melee is that in this metagame, it's whoever throws the first punch/is the better player wins. All of the melee bots in today's arena matches are quite capable of demolishing another if they were given the chance. Once one side has a combo landed, they're in a much better position than the other to start another combo..and another combo...until their target is dead.

Unless the player is noob and jacks it once the first combo ends. Then the battle's determined by skill thereafter.
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PostSubject: Re: Elisalotte   Fri May 20, 2011 2:33 am

her arm attack recharges about 1/2 her WB

also,can someone confirm that the gladiator buffs even affect the WB'd sowrd?
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PostSubject: Re: Elisalotte   Fri May 20, 2011 8:26 am

@LordShade wrote:

25 WLK 7 FLY + boost run is good for speed? cause 33 WLK doesn't seem that fast, unless at that point my fly will be zero. Trying to keep at least some resemblance of speed. So somebody told me having at least a little fly is a drastic improvement.
25 wlk 7 fly is pretty slow. With melee bots, you'll want to get into the orange tier of speeds at least (i.e. 33 wlk 8 fly).



@Nisa wrote:
her arm attack recharges about 1/2 her WB

also,can someone confirm that the gladiator buffs even affect the WB'd sowrd?
Yeah, but it's so slow you'll probably get killed doing it. It does stun though, so if you can hit -everyone- that could possibly see you and shoot you at the same time, you're fine (good luck lol).

I'm thinking glad buffs don't make a difference now, I noticed during the mission that frac's gravity orbs slowed my attack speed down without aura, but with aura seemed rather unchanged. I'm feeling hesitant to tune her for force though, because she isn't that strong to begin with...

Also, don't forget that Chivalry Slash - the AoE - is located in her arm, and can be tuned for force, speed, etc.
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PostSubject: Re: Elisalotte   Fri May 20, 2011 11:57 am

@Suguri wrote:
@LordShade wrote:

25 WLK 7 FLY + boost run is good for speed? cause 33 WLK doesn't seem that fast, unless at that point my fly will be zero. Trying to keep at least some resemblance of speed. So somebody told me having at least a little fly is a drastic improvement.
25 wlk 7 fly is pretty slow. With melee bots, you'll want to get into the orange tier of speeds at least (i.e. 33 wlk 8 fly).



@Nisa wrote:
her arm attack recharges about 1/2 her WB

also,can someone confirm that the gladiator buffs even affect the WB'd sowrd?
Yeah, but it's so slow you'll probably get killed doing it. It does stun though, so if you can hit -everyone- that could possibly see you and shoot you at the same time, you're fine (good luck lol).

I'm thinking glad buffs don't make a difference now, I noticed during the mission that frac's gravity orbs slowed my attack speed down without aura, but with aura seemed rather unchanged. I'm feeling hesitant to tune her for force though, because she isn't that strong to begin with...

Also, don't forget that Chivalry Slash - the AoE - is located in her arm, and can be tuned for force, speed, etc.

nice chart, now is there a STR vs TEC for how long/powerful the wb are? and also a chart for TGH for how much the break points are.
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PostSubject: Re: Elisalotte   Fri May 20, 2011 1:00 pm

Her AM attack is rubbish.


I remember,someone in epoch arm locked my daedalian,but I was close enough to punch her...4 times Very Happy

150+ dmg for about 40 dmg on my dae,fair trade to me.

Also,shimapan there is but it isnt here
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PostSubject: Re: Elisalotte   Fri May 20, 2011 9:08 pm

@Nisa wrote:
Her AM attack is rubbish.


I remember,someone in epoch arm locked my daedalian,but I was close enough to punch her...4 times Very Happy

150+ dmg for about 40 dmg on my dae,fair trade to me.

Also,shimapan there is but it isnt here

yeah I don't use that attack because its too slow and rather situational.

its like Ouka's attack. really useless.
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PostSubject: Re: Elisalotte   Fri May 20, 2011 9:13 pm

elisalottle is for those who want seek a new moe with a new game play
not for those who seek OP bots

she even weaker than MBG, can't troll ppl like jikuns and can't be scary like a Red squealer with daedalean AM 2
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PostSubject: Re: Elisalotte   Fri May 20, 2011 9:18 pm

I don't aim to play OP bots, I aim to play above-average bots with fun and effective playstyles. Elisalotte seems less effective than even a decent portion of UC bots that I have.
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PostSubject: Re: Elisalotte   Fri May 20, 2011 9:36 pm

@Suguri wrote:
I don't aim to play OP bots, I aim to play above-average bots with fun and effective playstyles. Elisalotte seems less effective than even a decent portion of UC bots that I have.

i always respect those who can achieved high scored with average bots
a true pro player don't need OP bot to be pro

but it's fun that after release of AG lots of high rank ppl stick with her and never change their main again, the same as some who always with EVE lol!

and some are proud of their score when using it and said tard things after each match

btw
do you think which cart is the best for genbura when mine is a small hitbox one with 24 FLY and only bazooka- BD railgun user ?, i replace it's AMs already.

cart atm
cap upgrade x6
internal upgrade x2
blast guard

need opinion for last cart
wonder rate up/stun regain/beam guard ?
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PostSubject: Re: Elisalotte   Fri May 20, 2011 9:42 pm

@LordShade wrote:
@Nisa wrote:
Her AM attack is rubbish.


I remember,someone in epoch arm locked my daedalian,but I was close enough to punch her...4 times Very Happy

150+ dmg for about 40 dmg on my dae,fair trade to me.

Also,shimapan there is but it isnt here

yeah I don't use that attack because its too slow and rather situational.

its like Ouka's attack. really useless.

When you say arm attack you mean the swords of revealing light or something else? Haven't bothered to be the first in a mission, only played Melfie so far.
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PostSubject: Re: Elisalotte   Fri May 20, 2011 10:09 pm

@knyx wrote:
@LordShade wrote:
@Nisa wrote:
Her AM attack is rubbish.


I remember,someone in epoch arm locked my daedalian,but I was close enough to punch her...4 times Very Happy

150+ dmg for about 40 dmg on my dae,fair trade to me.

Also,shimapan there is but it isnt here

yeah I don't use that attack because its too slow and rather situational.

its like Ouka's attack. really useless.

When you say arm attack you mean the swords of revealing light or something else? Haven't bothered to be the first in a mission, only played Melfie so far.

I activate my trap card, swords of revealing light! I activate my trap destroy card, destroying your swords of revealing light!

Yugi laughs.

*typical bullshit that only occurs in the anime version*

but my swords of revealing light blows up, and deals damage directly to your lifepoints!

guahahahahhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

etc.

back on topic D:

I like elisa cause she plays like Ouka, and i don't have an ouka. and I always wanted one.
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PostSubject: Re: Elisalotte   Fri May 20, 2011 10:15 pm

@LordShade wrote:
@knyx wrote:
@LordShade wrote:


yeah I don't use that attack because its too slow and rather situational.

its like Ouka's attack. really useless.

When you say arm attack you mean the swords of revealing light or something else? Haven't bothered to be the first in a mission, only played Melfie so far.

I activate my trap card, swords of revealing light! I activate my trap destroy card, destroying your swords of revealing light!

Yugi laughs.

*typical bullshit that only occurs in the anime version*

but my swords of revealing light blows up, and deals damage directly to your lifepoints!

guahahahahhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

etc.

back on topic D:

I like elisa cause she plays like Ouka, and i don't have an ouka. and I always wanted one.

lol sword of revealing light is a magic card and you can't counter them when they already use unless you ve an deadly counter trap card like solemn judgement
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PostSubject: Re: Elisalotte   Fri May 20, 2011 11:13 pm

or magic jammer, spell shield type-8, or bla bla bla, there r to many cards in yugi.......
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PostSubject: Re: Elisalotte   Fri May 20, 2011 11:44 pm

junk her theres your best tip
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PostSubject: Re: Elisalotte   Sat May 21, 2011 12:12 am

@boytitan2 wrote:
junk her theres your best tip


You don't junk novelty bots,silly titan.

Also,that pathetic walk + low cost
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PostSubject: Re: Elisalotte   Sat May 21, 2011 1:19 am

@Nisa wrote:
@boytitan2 wrote:
junk her theres your best tip


You don't junk novelty bots,silly titan.

Also,that pathetic walk + low cost

ya Im sorry ment to say keep her in your garage as a decoration
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