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PostSubject: Re: The Returning Player Guide   Tue Dec 05, 2017 2:23 am

you completely against capa tuning or is the wording just a little bit off? kinda made it sound like a "do it if you can" rather than consider IF you wanna fit something cool or fun you wouldn't be able to otherwise.

don't capa tune only to fit more hp

though i admit i've been capa tuning often, maybe going overboard, but i won't stop!
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PostSubject: Re: The Returning Player Guide   Tue Dec 05, 2017 2:27 am

I mean, some ppl just slap 3x g.capa on their builds while they aren't even
close of doing efficient use of all that capa.

Well, you won't need 3x g.capa on anything anyway.

I just use capa tunes when:

1- Trying to fit multiple things that you usually won't see together
on the same build.

2- The unit requires heavy weapon tuning.

3- When doing revenge tunes (I almost never do it).
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PostSubject: Re: The Returning Player Guide   Tue Dec 05, 2017 2:47 am

i meant it for winty

but yea i use capa tunes liberally, sometimes just to make something stupid for the heck of it.
something stupid for the heck of it:
 
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PostSubject: Re: The Returning Player Guide   Tue Dec 05, 2017 4:01 am

In general if you're able to do it, it's far better to do it than not to.

Hell, you couldn't get any tunes on Jace whatsoever without capa tuning.
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PostSubject: Re: The Returning Player Guide   Tue Dec 05, 2017 5:51 am

@Winty wrote:
@Alathon wrote:
CAPA TUNING your bots if your resources allow it, you might find that float dash on your favorite air might just improve its mobility a lot. Or that an extra HShooter on your weapon really improves its performance. Whatever the case, your builds generally reach even greater performance levels with capa tuning.

stop this

U an old man! the meta now requires you to be a fat american to be able to play optimally!
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PostSubject: Re: The Returning Player Guide   Tue Dec 05, 2017 10:20 am

As long as I can fit ±550 HP, max stats and all necessary weapon tunes onto a single bot, then why not? The cheaper the bot, the less scores lost assuming I die.
It's just some bots (like Lilu) are too tight to tune without any capa tunes whatsoever.
Only proper exception I've done so far is on Thoarla because I just have to give her 1K HP for the lulz.
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PostSubject: Re: The Returning Player Guide   Tue Dec 05, 2017 7:39 pm

>caring about score-capa relationships in 2017, nearly 2018

Literally gimping your builds using the argument that you're going to cost less when you die is retarded.
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PostSubject: Re: The Returning Player Guide   Tue Dec 05, 2017 8:44 pm

1capa is a sweet spot because of 2x Revenge tunes, for me anyway.

I try to build whatever I can within 1Gcapa.
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PostSubject: Re: The Returning Player Guide   Tue Dec 05, 2017 10:48 pm

BEing Fat is the new meta, being skinny makes you sleepy
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PostSubject: Re: The Returning Player Guide   Wed Dec 06, 2017 11:38 pm

with proper tuning a lot of my builds had everything they needed. Once you have your desired mobility and damage stats and weapon tunes, tuning capa basically only gives you more HP which you usually won't need since most builds with 10 ex tunes will already have 650+ hp or however much you want and all you'd be able to do is tune more HP/TGH onto your shit(or tune retarded weapon tunes like 3x hshooter which is fucking dogshit tunes lmao)

capa tuning should be done to allow yourself to get "Desired stats."
doing it when you already have them isn't really useful to do. 3x gcapa has been historically dogshit. I have some builds with 1 or 2 hcapa tunes but there's plenty of things that don't need tons of extra capacity.

Doing it just because you can makes you bloated for no reason.
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PostSubject: Re: The Returning Player Guide   Sat Dec 09, 2017 12:49 pm

There are too many things to consider when it comes to "desired" HP. usually, S size bot hit around 500 HP, M size 550 HP and L size 600 HP after full ex tunes. There usually is a +/- 30 HP depending what ex tunes you do. Then, depending on the intended use of the build and the drive, adding more HP to it may or may not matter.
There were only 2 things I had to X3 G capa. one is something because it only had 560 HP after all necessary tunes, it can't use armor drive because of high ammo consumption. other one was because it had to fit 2 blast missiles with weapon tunes.
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PostSubject: Re: The Returning Player Guide   Sun Dec 10, 2017 2:05 am

There's not "too many things" to consider when finding desired hp because desired hp will be different for every unit and every person because personal goals will differ. This is why I typed "desired stats" and not a specific number because it varies a lot.

my point still boils down to you should do it only if you need it and not just because you can.
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PostSubject: Re: The Returning Player Guide   Sun Dec 10, 2017 4:00 am

@reVelske wrote:
Somebody's gotta keep it real around here once in a while, besides, No Fun Allowed.

oh and, the less "returning players" understand the game in its current state, the sooner they'll get fed up and bugger off to do better things with their lives.

I literally only play quests and hoard shit at this point tbh. arena is just a grindfest, nobody actually plays it for fun anymore.
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PostSubject: Re: The Returning Player Guide   Sun Dec 10, 2017 4:00 am

Most ppl seems to have a tendence to overtune their weapons, ending with not enough
capa for stats, or very low hp and some ppl does even with 2x or 3x g.capa somehow.
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PostSubject: Re: The Returning Player Guide   Sun Dec 10, 2017 8:00 am

Gcapa everything o wo//
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PostSubject: Re: The Returning Player Guide   Sun Dec 10, 2017 9:30 pm

so funni xdddd gcapa
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PostSubject: Re: The Returning Player Guide   Sun Dec 10, 2017 9:53 pm

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PostSubject: Re: The Returning Player Guide   Yesterday at 11:30 am

@WhiteTofuMagic wrote:
usually, S size bot hit around 500 HP, M size 550 HP and L size 600 HP after full ex tunes.

But isn't 500 already borderline glass cannon these days?
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PostSubject: Re: The Returning Player Guide   Yesterday at 12:47 pm

It is; some bots can get away with lower HP pools, but more often than not you'd want to break at least past 500.
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