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PostSubject: How much difference does TGH have for LND?   Wed Sep 23, 2015 8:52 pm

What the title says.

40 TGH LND.

Will other melee LND do measly melee damage to me?
Will gun/beam/missile damage be decreased considerably? (As in...50%+ dmg reduction)
Will i be still stunned by melee attacks?
Will i be "greatly" stunned by ranged attacks?

Im between:

A 40 TGH build (maybe ex tgh) or an HP build.


The whole point is survival.
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PostSubject: Re: How much difference does TGH have for LND?   Wed Sep 23, 2015 9:04 pm

someone01 wrote:
What the title says.

40 TGH LND.

Will other melee LND do measly melee damage to me?
Will gun/beam/missile damage be decreased considerably? (As in...50%+ dmg reduction)
Will i be still stunned by melee attacks?
Will i be "greatly" stunned by ranged attacks?

Im between:

A 40 TGH build (maybe ex tgh) or an HP build.


The whole point is survival.
1. If they're combo based melees then yes. Getting slammed by a high power 1-hit melee will deal the same damage no matter what your TGH is because reduction kicks in after the first hit. Higher TGH increases the damage reduction from consecutive hits.
2. It's not a set reduction. See: 1
3. Yes.
4. It depends on the gun. Most will not spinstun with high TGH

In most cases, HP is a better investment than TGH. Stacking TGH is only really good for bullet sponge builds.
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PostSubject: Re: How much difference does TGH have for LND?   Wed Sep 23, 2015 9:16 pm

TGH's effectiveness does not change based on type, except for supports who have more resistance because they don't have bonus damage against them.

Damage reduction is based on the amount of damage taken in a period of time. Even 10~ tgh can reach decent reduction if you get hit hard enough at once. This is commonly seen in 2hit combo melees like ivis reine or MBGA where they get a lot more damage if they miss the first hit and connect the second, because getting the second hit without TGH reduction is higher damage than getting the first hit. This damage reduction applies equally to both melee and projectile weapons.

melee attacks have special stuns which aren't affected by TGH. These are the tiny microstuns that don't proc stun regain/supply. They can also do normal stuns, which are affected by tgh.

Some ranged attacks have gold viel stuns which take effect regardless of tgh as long as you are in a stunnable state(no CV/superarmor). For nearly everything else, it depends on the amount of damage you've taken recently, and the base power of the attack. Even weak attacks will trigger a stun if you are hit by enough.


Asking "TGH build or HP build" is really hard to answer without providing details on the opposite stat. 40tgh 500HP or 15tgh 800hp? I'd go with HP. 40tgh 700hp or 15tgh 900hp? i'd go with TGH.

A balance is probably around 800HP 20-30TGH. If you're at 800HP and sub20TGH, it's probably better to get more TGH than it is to get HP, but I'm not sure on the exact math behind damage reduction. Hannaguy knows more.
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PostSubject: Re: How much difference does TGH have for LND?   Tue Sep 29, 2015 2:52 pm

Is it even worth to make a TGH build (along with stun hp recovery cartridge) without maxing TGH?

TEC.
TGH.
WLK.

I don't have enough capa nor slots for 40/40 build with high HP.

My original idea was to mix 40 TGH with stun hp recovery to make a tank bot, but if i want 700+ HP, 40 TGH is simply not possible.

I would end with 30~32 TGH and 750~ HP max.

So, is a TGH+stun recovery something worth doing if i don't reach 40 TGH? I don't want to do a tunes if it will be pointless.

Edit: Meant stun regain, the one that recovers HP.


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PostSubject: Re: How much difference does TGH have for LND?   Tue Sep 29, 2015 3:04 pm

you do know stun recovery just shorten the time your stun ._.
your probably thinking Stun Regain for the HP?
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PostSubject: Re: How much difference does TGH have for LND?   Tue Sep 29, 2015 3:20 pm

@Sakura1 wrote:
you do know stun recovery just shorten the time your stun ._.
your probably thinking Stun Regain for the HP?

iirc stun recovery just reduces the stun level by 1. For example: if you get hit by a weapon that causes spin stun, you will get a hard stun instead.
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PostSubject: Re: How much difference does TGH have for LND?   Tue Sep 29, 2015 3:29 pm

@Sakura1 wrote:
you do know stun recovery just shorten the time your stun ._.
your probably thinking Stun Regain for the HP?

Yup, i meant stun regain.
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PostSubject: Re: How much difference does TGH have for LND?   Tue Sep 29, 2015 3:45 pm

750hp and 30tgh is pretty good, yes.
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PostSubject: Re: How much difference does TGH have for LND?   Tue Sep 29, 2015 3:59 pm

@Shidokun wrote:
@Sakura1 wrote:
you do know stun recovery just shorten the time your stun ._.
your probably thinking Stun Regain for the HP?

iirc stun recovery just reduces the stun level by 1. For example: if you get hit by a weapon that causes spin stun, you will get a hard stun instead.

ghey cs sucks at desrc I swear it said reduces time of stun but w.e sounds effytho
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PostSubject: Re: How much difference does TGH have for LND?   Tue Sep 29, 2015 5:15 pm

@Sakura1 wrote:
@Shidokun wrote:
@Sakura1 wrote:
you do know stun recovery just shorten the time your stun ._.
your probably thinking Stun Regain for the HP?

iirc stun recovery just reduces the stun level by 1. For example: if you get hit by a weapon that causes spin stun, you will get a hard stun instead.

ghey cs sucks at desrc I swear it said reduces time of stun but w.e sounds effytho

^ Not sure if you are speed typing on your phone.... or just tired

And yes, the description is kinda derp.
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PostSubject: Re: How much difference does TGH have for LND?   Wed Sep 30, 2015 12:21 am

Idk if it answers something, but this is my 40 tgh Paladin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnqj59LpUso
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PostSubject: Re: How much difference does TGH have for LND?   Wed Sep 30, 2015 3:16 am

@Maelstrom wrote:
Idk if it answers something, but this is my 40 tgh Paladin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnqj59LpUso
My poor Peppen.
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PostSubject: Re: How much difference does TGH have for LND?   Wed Sep 30, 2015 3:20 am

Shes too fhat :V
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