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PostSubject: Re: New and could really use some help, like a lot.   Mon Jul 20, 2015 8:14 pm

Another Sidenote, The only EVE I can find is Bikini EVE in the "green" Grapapon. Is there any other eve that is obtainable? if yes how?
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PostSubject: Re: New and could really use some help, like a lot.   Mon Jul 20, 2015 9:04 pm

@SoulsSin wrote:
Another Sidenote, The only EVE I can find is Bikini EVE in the "green" Grapapon. Is there any other eve that is obtainable? if yes how?
there's the original eve (bikini eve is her 3rd version) and school eve (both are only from garapons, neither are in any current ones)
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PostSubject: Re: New and could really use some help, like a lot.   Mon Jul 20, 2015 9:34 pm

I'm not sure if you've seen this before but, this guide is really helpful
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xVBthJysZ4lER6fUaOqxtZ4kIohuFCG5PQ0eoff_uKg/edit?pli=1
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PostSubject: Re: New and could really use some help, like a lot.   Mon Jul 20, 2015 9:44 pm

Chαrlσttє ♥ wrote:
I'm not sure if you've seen this before but, this guide is really helpful
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xVBthJysZ4lER6fUaOqxtZ4kIohuFCG5PQ0eoff_uKg/edit?pli=1

that was already posted in this thread silly
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PostSubject: Re: New and could really use some help, like a lot.   Mon Jul 20, 2015 9:55 pm

@SoulsSin wrote:
Hmm amazing thanks. Someone posted this on Rosso: cryst bs & am, rosso bd & am eco  argu

Eco stands for Ecofly i assume but what does argu stand for ?
Argu Could be an anagram for Guard burst. You can clearly see the Shield icon popping on the top left of the screen every time it alphastrikes.
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As for the rest of the robot parts, Ether went with:
-1x Steel Burn arm2            (Available in DX coin shop)
-2x Ingvy Boosters              (Thanks ticket gara 2)
-1x Tierougue arm joint        (Thanks ticket gara 2)
-1x Rosso Aspire core & Arm (Anniversary ticket gara 2)


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PostSubject: Re: New and could really use some help, like a lot.   Mon Jul 20, 2015 9:58 pm

@NeedCheeseCake wrote:
Chαrlσttє ♥ wrote:
I'm not sure if you've seen this before but, this guide is really helpful
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xVBthJysZ4lER6fUaOqxtZ4kIohuFCG5PQ0eoff_uKg/edit?pli=1

that was already posted in this thread silly

ohh okay, I was lazy to read all replies so I just post it here just in case :3
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PostSubject: Re: New and could really use some help, like a lot.   Mon Jul 20, 2015 11:14 pm

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1     youtube.com/watch?v=ZS8OXCo9F6o any ideas? How can you fly so long, boost bar barely drains...

3     youtube.com/watch?v=hjvRJQD4jks another one with insane boost bar duration (both are 1 year old but would still like to know what they are)

2     youtube.com/watch?v=a7VYIw8RvOs Missiles must be built in weapons right?



1     youtube.com/watch?v=VrmcnrBpKPE another long range missile build any ideas how they are built ?

Anti already explained most of em. Just adding name of those parts

*In first video it was using an aura bot core and bs with original flapjack am

*Katalina core with 1 flpajack(original) am and 1 armada(original) am

*That's rosso with it's marking shot am and steel burn am3. Rosso core has built in missile which has charge delay debuff but it'll only work if you hit the enemy with it's marking shot am before. If you're talking about those missiles that were going upwords before hitting enemy then those were from steel burn am3. Steel burn am3's main use is it's insane range.

*Same Rosso Aspide with steel brun am3 and Tierougue amj.
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PostSubject: Re: New and could really use some help, like a lot.   Tue Jul 21, 2015 4:26 am

Chαrlσttє ♥ wrote:
@NeedCheeseCake wrote:
Chαrlσttє ♥ wrote:
I'm not sure if you've seen this before but, this guide is really helpful

that was already posted in this thread silly

ohh okay, I was lazy to read all replies so I just post it here just in case :3

Thanks for posting it anyway
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PostSubject: Re: New and could really use some help, like a lot.   Tue Jul 21, 2015 4:27 am

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@SoulsSin wrote:
Hmm amazing thanks. Someone posted this on Rosso: cryst bs & am, rosso bd & am eco  argu

Eco stands for Ecofly i assume but what does argu stand for ?
Argu Could be an anagram for Guard burst. You can clearly see the Shield icon popping on the top left of the screen every time it alphastrikes.
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As for the rest of the robot parts, Ether went with:
-1x Steel Burn arm2            (Available in DX coin shop)
-2x Ingvy Boosters              (Thanks ticket gara 2)
-1x Tierougue arm joint        (Thanks ticket gara 2)
-1x Rosso Aspire core & Arm (Anniversary ticket gara 2)


Alright, Thanks for this one. much appreciated.
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PostSubject: Re: New and could really use some help, like a lot.   Tue Jul 21, 2015 4:29 am

elmattalisto wrote:
@SoulsSin wrote:

1     youtube.com/watch?v=ZS8OXCo9F6o any ideas? How can you fly so long, boost bar barely drains...

3     youtube.com/watch?v=hjvRJQD4jks another one with insane boost bar duration (both are 1 year old but would still like to know what they are)

2     youtube.com/watch?v=a7VYIw8RvOs Missiles must be built in weapons right?



1     youtube.com/watch?v=VrmcnrBpKPE another long range missile build any ideas how they are built ?

Anti already explained most of em. Just adding name of those parts

*In first video it was using an aura bot core and bs with original flapjack am

*Katalina core with 1 flpajack(original) am and 1 armada(original) am

*That's rosso with it's marking shot am and steel burn am3. Rosso core has built in missile which has charge delay debuff but it'll only work if you hit the enemy with it's marking shot am before. If you're talking about those missiles that were going upwords before hitting enemy then those were from steel burn am3. Steel burn am3's main use is it's insane range.

*Same Rosso Aspide with steel brun am3 and Tierougue amj.


Cheers for the additional information =)
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PostSubject: Re: New and could really use some help, like a lot.   Tue Jul 21, 2015 5:26 am

Another few for the list though:

-   youtube.com/watch?v=SEQ7CpAhppU       totally forgot to post this one the first time Akane is the bot ? what are the weapons, how do you build this (not tune i know     that after the guide, i hope)

-   youtube.com/watch?v=EFN0BfDFTF4        Bot name monica weapon name lightning cannon in title

-   youtube.com/watch?v=aS3TrRTHmCA      Starts at 4.30 bot is air raider ?

-   youtube.com/watch?v=S-4CeMu1sbY       saya starlight. Whats the weapons used and is she still obtainable?

-   youtube.com/watch?v=Jo9zAb3py5c        another alpha build ?

-   youtube.com/watch?v=P9T6Hg81HQE      built in weapons only ? (primary)

Again apologies for the inconvinience with the links.
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PostSubject: Re: New and could really use some help, like a lot.   Tue Jul 21, 2015 5:33 am

Akane has been reworked since that video, the playstyle in the video is no longer how she is used.
All of her weapons come built-in, you don't need to get any of them.

Monica is another bot with built in weapons. That's my video. She has two weapons, a rapid fire missile gun and a large charge cannon. Most people use only the rapid missiles, I made that video to show the power of the charge cannon with tunes.

air raider BD(shop), frau adone AMs(shop), tentrion HD(drop), magnet gun(shop), reflect pitcher(shop), pulse shot AMJs(no longer available). Outdated build, there's much better things to use these days.

saya is gara only and all weapons are built in.

some core, 2x Armada AM2, 2X crystas arm, psycho formula HD2.

stella with her own weapons yes.

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PostSubject: Re: New and could really use some help, like a lot.   Tue Jul 21, 2015 6:42 am

@Winty wrote:
Akane has been reworked since that video, the playstyle in the video is no longer how she is used.
All of her weapons come built-in, you don't need to get any of them.

Monica is another bot with built in weapons. That's my video. She has two weapons, a rapid fire missile gun and a large charge cannon. Most people use only the rapid missiles, I made that video to show the power of the charge cannon with tunes.




What bot now best matches that (old akane) playstyle ?

Nice vid =)
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PostSubject: Re: New and could really use some help, like a lot.   Tue Jul 21, 2015 6:46 am

@Winty wrote:


air raider BD(shop), frau adone AMs(shop), tentrion HD(drop), magnet gun(shop), reflect pitcher(shop), pulse shot AMJs(no longer available). Outdated build, there's much better things to use these days.



What would be an indate version ?
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PostSubject: Re: New and could really use some help, like a lot.   Tue Jul 21, 2015 6:47 am

I stumbled across bots beeing called "Moe"s. Are they any diffrent from normal bots?
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PostSubject: Re: New and could really use some help, like a lot.   Tue Jul 21, 2015 7:04 am

moes = humanoids. Generally anything can be called a "bot" regardless of it being a robot or a girl, though usually only humanoids are called moes. Means basically nothing in terms of gameplay. You could say that humanoids are more likely to have built-in weapons but with transforming bots and attachment parts you can rip guns off moes and mechs(purely robotic units) are forced to ignore part swapping to keep their guns so it really doesn't matter either way. People will get elitist about one being "stronger" than the other but it's just a bunch of bullshit with people trying to defend what they play as being "harder" than what other people use.

alpha builds moved from having the maximum number of weapons to having fewer, stronger weapons. A "more modern" build would be something along the lines of things shown in other videos.

current status of akane is just higher damage since you can spam your weapons more.
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PostSubject: Re: New and could really use some help, like a lot.   Tue Jul 21, 2015 7:20 am

@Winty wrote:
moes = humanoids. Generally anything can be called a "bot" regardless of it being a robot or a girl, though usually only humanoids are called moes. Means basically nothing in terms of gameplay. You could say that humanoids are more likely to have built-in weapons but with transforming bots and attachment parts you can rip guns off moes and mechs(purely robotic units) are forced to ignore part swapping to keep their guns so it really doesn't matter either way. People will get elitist about one being "stronger" than the other but it's just a bunch of bullshit with people trying to defend what they play as being "harder" than what other people use.

Alright this explains it. thanks.

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alpha builds moved from having the maximum number of weapons to having fewer, stronger weapons. A "more modern" build would be something along the lines of things shown in other videos.

Why did they switch? is there any big advantage of the new buildstyle? as in weapons something like auto pulse rifle or negatron rifle and plasma cannon ?

@Winty wrote:
current status of akane is just higher damage since you can spam your weapons more.

So they buffed her ? You mentioned the "playstyle" beeing diffrent?
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PostSubject: Re: New and could really use some help, like a lot.   Tue Jul 21, 2015 7:27 am

We got high cost, high damage weapons that were good in alphastrikes. Old high damage high cost air weapons like thoarla arm, SDC, and MLG were bad in alpha strikes. With Flapjack AM, ilgryps AM, steel burn AM4, crystas BS, Lightning Cannon Mod, etc etc you can equip 2-4 weapons and get higher total damage than old builds that utilized 6-8 weapons that had lower cost and lower damage output. Newer builds even put on 5-6 of these newer weapons with triple great capacity tunes, achieving costs and setups that would be impossible before due to not having the same high-end cores and triple gcapa setups being less practical than they are today.

old playstyle, optimally, was to simply use a glitch to bypass the forced cooldown on her main gun until you needed large damage and then you'd alpha and afterwards do nothing for 3 secons while waiting for the cooldown.

This lead your damage rate being consistent then suddenly spiking, and you'd focus tunes around that.

The new setup, with constant alternating between alphastrike and cannon, eats through ammo a lot faster leading to higher DPS at the cost of longevity which leads to different playing habits.
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PostSubject: Re: New and could really use some help, like a lot.   Tue Jul 21, 2015 7:46 am

@Winty wrote:
We got high cost, high damage weapons that were good in alphastrikes. Old high damage high cost air weapons like thoarla arm, SDC, and MLG were bad in alpha strikes. With Flapjack AM, ilgryps AM, steel burn AM4, crystas BS, Lightning Cannon Mod, etc etc you can equip 2-4 weapons and get higher total damage than old builds that utilized 6-8 weapons that had lower cost and lower damage output. Newer builds even put on 5-6 of these newer weapons with triple great capacity tunes, achieving costs and setups that would be impossible before due to not having the same high-end cores and triple gcapa setups being less practical than they are today.

old playstyle, optimally, was to simply use a glitch to bypass the forced cooldown on her main gun until you needed large damage and then you'd alpha and afterwards do nothing for 3 secons while waiting for the cooldown.

This lead your damage rate being consistent then suddenly spiking, and you'd focus tunes around that.

The new setup, with constant alternating between alphastrike and cannon, eats through ammo a lot faster leading to higher DPS at the cost of longevity which leads to different playing habits.

Thanks for taking the time to explain. Really helps a lot. "Flapjack AM, ilgryps AM, steel burn AM4, crystas " are all weapons from other bots right? Flapjack AM would be flapjack's AM slot ?
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PostSubject: Re: New and could really use some help, like a lot.   Tue Jul 21, 2015 7:49 am

yes. AM is arm, BS is booster, HD is head, LG is leg.
http://puu.sh/j7gSe/66ab1b34ce.png
parts are named from the bot they came from.
Some things aren't from any bots are come as lone parts, like certain AMJs, BSes, and rare AMs, but otherwise the part name tells you which bot it's from, and the # tells you which version of the part it is, like there's 4 different steel burn arms.
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PostSubject: Re: New and could really use some help, like a lot.   Tue Jul 21, 2015 8:13 am

@Winty wrote:
yes. AM is arm, BS is booster, HD is head, LG is leg.

parts are named from the bot they came from.
Some things aren't from any bots are come as lone parts, like certain AMJs, BSes, and rare AMs, but otherwise the part name tells you which bot it's from, and the # tells you which version of the part it is, like there's 4 different steel burn arms.


And how would one get these lone parts ?
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PostSubject: Re: New and could really use some help, like a lot.   Tue Jul 21, 2015 8:14 am

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@SoulsSin wrote:
Another Sidenote, The only EVE I can find is Bikini EVE in the "green" Grapapon. Is there any other eve that is obtainable? if yes how?
there's the original eve (bikini eve is her 3rd version) and school eve (both are only from garapons, neither are in any current ones)

Is there any diffrence between the versions (other then visual) ?
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PostSubject: Re: New and could really use some help, like a lot.   Tue Jul 21, 2015 8:31 am

@SoulsSin wrote:
@Winty wrote:
yes. AM is arm, BS is booster, HD is head, LG is leg.

parts are named from the bot they came from.
Some things aren't from any bots are come as lone parts, like certain AMJs, BSes, and rare AMs, but otherwise the part name tells you which bot it's from, and the # tells you which version of the part it is, like there's 4 different steel burn arms.


And how would one get these lone parts ?

They are either from recharging, gara, or event...

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Is there any diffrence between the versions (other then visual) ?

Some weapons are different, some are the same, all three versions share the same "Rage" ability.
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PostSubject: Re: New and could really use some help, like a lot.   Tue Jul 21, 2015 8:46 am

@fggt wrote:
@SoulsSin wrote:
@Winty wrote:
yes. AM is arm, BS is booster, HD is head, LG is leg.

parts are named from the bot they came from.
Some things aren't from any bots are come as lone parts, like certain AMJs, BSes, and rare AMs, but otherwise the part name tells you which bot it's from, and the # tells you which version of the part it is, like there's 4 different steel burn arms.


And how would one get these lone parts ?

They are either from recharging, gara, or event...

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Is there any diffrence between the versions (other then visual) ?

Some weapons are different, some are the same, all three versions share the same "Rage" ability.

Thanks for clarifying. Whats "recharging" though ?
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PostSubject: Re: New and could really use some help, like a lot.   Tue Jul 21, 2015 9:23 am

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Thanks for clarifying. Whats "recharging" though ?

I think it means charging RT. And by the way, you usually can't get single parts unless said part does not belong to any existing robot (most of them are BS parts like Muffler Jet BS/Reignition BS/SU Barrier Dome BS). You need to get the entire robot first.
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