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 Tsukishiro Kanna or Mochizuki Koyomi? Which one are you choosing?

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Tsukishiro Kanna (LND)
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PostSubject: Tsukishiro Kanna or Mochizuki Koyomi? Which one are you choosing?   Thu May 28, 2015 6:15 pm




Thanks to MegaManZX for Koyomi comic!

Kanna:

It is said Kanna can destroy support fields, but her weapons say nothing about that. I guess that applies to fluene/regina winbrrl/buff deva fields? Maybe or maybe not.

She doesn't have boost run.

Koyomi:

She can give broad radar, long range and all guard to 3 allies. Her big bubble attack seems to be homing attack, but very very slow. When it explodes it seems to create electricity. Dunno if its shock or stun. There is no much info about her attacks.


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PostSubject: Re: Tsukishiro Kanna or Mochizuki Koyomi? Which one are you choosing?   Thu May 28, 2015 6:20 pm

doesn't seem to affect musician fields. Affects things like heal bubbles, blume HD, regina fields. Muscian fields likely unaffected because they are part of the unit and not an independent spawned object.

gives her a buff that makes her shoot a projectile during her melee string. Leaves a bubble behind, but the bubble doesn't seem to do anything.
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PostSubject: Re: Tsukishiro Kanna or Mochizuki Koyomi? Which one are you choosing?   Thu May 28, 2015 6:35 pm

I tested Kanna's Mortar main weapon and it looks shit, its hard to hit, has long cooldown
and the range is low, looks lower than that said in the description, I am going to take it
off and use an EX tuned handheld in it's place...
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PostSubject: Re: Tsukishiro Kanna or Mochizuki Koyomi? Which one are you choosing?   Thu May 28, 2015 6:52 pm

Kanna charge can destroy all support fields, as long as they are "object". So far bubble, ammo and repair field, chibi circles are tested. Nid a full 2s charge for it to hav effect, there is vainic but no super armor while charging. Combo shit out barrier object at last combo (should be, since enemy see it as red sphere).

Roach barrier (not the bit) cant be destroyed, not sure if becuz it does not give support effect, or "vulnerable" objects wont be destroyed.
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PostSubject: Re: Tsukishiro Kanna or Mochizuki Koyomi? Which one are you choosing?   Thu May 28, 2015 7:59 pm

So I guess my 2nd guess about Kanna getting buffed whenever she destroys a support field was right...?
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PostSubject: Re: Tsukishiro Kanna or Mochizuki Koyomi? Which one are you choosing?   Thu May 28, 2015 9:33 pm

So, if i understand correctly: 2-second charge attack with no super-armor and small range if want to destroy enemy heal/buff fields?

Doesn't look very good compared to actual LND standards.

A 2 second charge to destroy a heal bubble, while surrounded by enemies sounds very very situational. Most of the time you would lose 80%+ of your HP because everyone of the opposite team that go near the heal bubble will aim at you. If that's the case aim for the SUP would be more viable.
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PostSubject: Re: Tsukishiro Kanna or Mochizuki Koyomi? Which one are you choosing?   Thu May 28, 2015 10:16 pm

@Maelstrom wrote:
I tested Kanna's Mortar main weapon and it looks shit

It fucking pierces. If this thing is shit to you, then you need to check yoself.
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PostSubject: Re: Tsukishiro Kanna or Mochizuki Koyomi? Which one are you choosing?   Thu May 28, 2015 10:20 pm

someone01 wrote:
So, if i understand correctly: 2-second charge attack with no super-armor and small range if want to destroy enemy heal/buff fields?

Doesn't look very good compared to actual LND standards.

A 2 second charge to destroy a heal bubble, while surrounded by enemies sounds very very situational. Most of the time you would lose 80%+ of your HP because everyone of the opposite team that go near the heal bubble will aim at you. If that's the case aim for the SUP would be more viable.

she puts a vanic on herself while she does it, which, if it works like most vanics, is basically super armor and damage block for a certain number of hits and/or certain amount of damage.

it has a large range, actually - she does a huge dashing lunge after the startup.
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PostSubject: Re: Tsukishiro Kanna or Mochizuki Koyomi? Which one are you choosing?   Thu May 28, 2015 10:21 pm

Yeah, she can break bubbles

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PostSubject: Re: Tsukishiro Kanna or Mochizuki Koyomi? Which one are you choosing?   Thu May 28, 2015 10:24 pm

@Winty wrote:
someone01 wrote:
So, if i understand correctly: 2-second charge attack with no super-armor and small range if want to destroy enemy heal/buff fields?

Doesn't look very good compared to actual LND standards.

A 2 second charge to destroy a heal bubble, while surrounded by enemies sounds very very situational. Most of the time you would lose 80%+ of your HP because everyone of the opposite team that go near the heal bubble will aim at you. If that's the case aim for the SUP would be more viable.

she puts a vanic on herself while she does it, which, if it works like most vanics, is basically super armor and damage block for a certain number of hits and/or certain amount of damage.

it has a large range, actually - she does a huge dashing lunge after the startup.

Melee will still fuck her up while charging though, tested.
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PostSubject: Re: Tsukishiro Kanna or Mochizuki Koyomi? Which one are you choosing?   Thu May 28, 2015 10:26 pm

@fggt wrote:
Melee will still fuck her up while charging though, tested.

please be more specific.
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PostSubject: Re: Tsukishiro Kanna or Mochizuki Koyomi? Which one are you choosing?   Thu May 28, 2015 10:26 pm

@Diabolical wrote:
@Maelstrom wrote:
I tested Kanna's Mortar main weapon and it looks shit

It fucking pierces. If this thing is shit to you, then you need to check yoself.

I didn't knew that it pierces, lol, now it looks interesting...
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PostSubject: Re: Tsukishiro Kanna or Mochizuki Koyomi? Which one are you choosing?   Thu May 28, 2015 10:32 pm

@Winty wrote:
@fggt wrote:
Melee will still fuck her up while charging though, tested.

please be more specific.

Melee will stun her and interrupt the charging and cd will kick in. So like I said, she does not have super armor while charging, only vainic to block damages and non-melee stuns (arent other vainic the same?).
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PostSubject: Re: Tsukishiro Kanna or Mochizuki Koyomi? Which one are you choosing?   Thu May 28, 2015 10:38 pm

resha vanic blocks melee damage, just not stun. Other vanics, like bikini rouche, are type-specific and only block damage and stun of certain types and don't interact with other attacks. That's what I'm asking about here.
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PostSubject: Re: Tsukishiro Kanna or Mochizuki Koyomi? Which one are you choosing?   Thu May 28, 2015 10:45 pm

I will test with forced stun range wps later to see, but yea she can be stunned by melee while charging.
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PostSubject: Re: Tsukishiro Kanna or Mochizuki Koyomi? Which one are you choosing?   Thu May 28, 2015 10:50 pm

how does koyomi crystal bit works anyways?

seem like it have only 1hp , can it be destroyed? , and how bout str/tec balance?

now seem i cant decide ...

kanna seem interesting , but koyomi too

so thats leaves me how both works that i gonna choose
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PostSubject: Re: Tsukishiro Kanna or Mochizuki Koyomi? Which one are you choosing?   Thu May 28, 2015 11:03 pm

I'm going to actually pick the support unit. She looks like she might be a fun gunner support.

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PostSubject: Re: Tsukishiro Kanna or Mochizuki Koyomi? Which one are you choosing?   Thu May 28, 2015 11:25 pm

Orb gives buffs based on koyomi's "buff" level, like recent illumis or lumiera.... I only saw it gives broad radar and all guard so far, at lv2.
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PostSubject: Re: Tsukishiro Kanna or Mochizuki Koyomi? Which one are you choosing?   Fri May 29, 2015 12:37 am

Kannas meele should have more range i mean come on naginata with low range plox
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PostSubject: Re: Tsukishiro Kanna or Mochizuki Koyomi? Which one are you choosing?   Fri May 29, 2015 5:21 am

@fggt wrote:
I will test with forced stun range wps later to see, but yea she can be stunned by melee while charging.

again, more interested in damage.
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PostSubject: Re: Tsukishiro Kanna or Mochizuki Koyomi? Which one are you choosing?   Fri May 29, 2015 6:19 am

Koyomi Loading Screen:
 
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PostSubject: Re: Tsukishiro Kanna or Mochizuki Koyomi? Which one are you choosing?   Fri May 29, 2015 6:22 am

SUP is everything!

But yeah, I really expected a ranged combo on Kanna too l0l

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PostSubject: Re: Tsukishiro Kanna or Mochizuki Koyomi? Which one are you choosing?   Fri May 29, 2015 12:18 pm

About kanna...she doesn't even have boost run.

A LND melee without boost run is an easy target.

What feature does she have that could counter the lack of boost run? (Float dash LND melee? Is such thing even useful?)

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Koyomi Loading Screen:
 

Awesome, i'll add it to the main post.
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PostSubject: Re: Tsukishiro Kanna or Mochizuki Koyomi? Which one are you choosing?   Fri May 29, 2015 3:02 pm

no boost run=no go
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PostSubject: Re: Tsukishiro Kanna or Mochizuki Koyomi? Which one are you choosing?   Fri May 29, 2015 10:12 pm

crystal orb can break , so fragile , same like my heart ... Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad

kanna have no boost run , but still have assault step (not like elcott)
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