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PostSubject: Re: 19/2/2015 New! Union Wars Battle Campaign! Free Battle Garapon Tickets!   Thu Feb 19, 2015 6:40 pm

Stella/Glide Boost nerf when?
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PostSubject: Re: 19/2/2015 New! Union Wars Battle Campaign! Free Battle Garapon Tickets!   Fri Feb 20, 2015 1:51 am

Stella is fine.
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PostSubject: Re: 19/2/2015 New! Union Wars Battle Campaign! Free Battle Garapon Tickets!   Fri Feb 20, 2015 2:06 am

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PostSubject: Re: 19/2/2015 New! Union Wars Battle Campaign! Free Battle Garapon Tickets!   Fri Feb 20, 2015 2:18 am

@VietPho wrote:
Stella is fine.
You use her all the time; of course you don't want her nerfed
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PostSubject: Re: 19/2/2015 New! Union Wars Battle Campaign! Free Battle Garapon Tickets!   Fri Feb 20, 2015 2:45 am

@VietPho wrote:
Stella is fine.


HAhahahahahHAHAHahahahahHAHAHahahahahahahaha.....HAHAHAHAhahaha
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PostSubject: Re: 19/2/2015 New! Union Wars Battle Campaign! Free Battle Garapon Tickets!   Fri Feb 20, 2015 2:53 am

stella is fine in the context of trintia, amy v, homura, berz, glint eris, nora, theia, air eve, etc etc

taking one thing out of the toppest tier wouldn't really change the overall state of the game much, and those robots are fairly balanced amongst themselves
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PostSubject: Re: 19/2/2015 New! Union Wars Battle Campaign! Free Battle Garapon Tickets!   Fri Feb 20, 2015 3:14 am

^ well said.
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PostSubject: Re: 19/2/2015 New! Union Wars Battle Campaign! Free Battle Garapon Tickets!   Fri Feb 20, 2015 3:25 am

such circle jerk
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PostSubject: Re: 19/2/2015 New! Union Wars Battle Campaign! Free Battle Garapon Tickets!   Fri Feb 20, 2015 3:28 am

@bippusuta wrote:
stella is fine in the context of trintia, amy v, homura, berz, glint eris, nora, theia, air eve, etc etc

taking one thing out of the toppest tier wouldn't really change the overall state of the game much, and those robots are fairly balanced amongst themselves

Now I get the reason why I am not good with math despite being Asian...
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PostSubject: Re: 19/2/2015 New! Union Wars Battle Campaign! Free Battle Garapon Tickets!   Fri Feb 20, 2015 3:32 am

Una-Tan's homoru needs a second nerf.
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PostSubject: Re: 19/2/2015 New! Union Wars Battle Campaign! Free Battle Garapon Tickets!   Fri Feb 20, 2015 6:46 am

ermm stella is fine as it is

I don't really see a reason why people want her nerf


I'm using her but I'm not using this so called glide boost and so far she's just a good bot not OP nor broken... you guys might mean glide boost? though I don't know what makes glide boost OP since I nvr use it(and I don't plan on using it lol)
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PostSubject: Re: 19/2/2015 New! Union Wars Battle Campaign! Free Battle Garapon Tickets!   Fri Feb 20, 2015 7:08 am

@ricardo_241 wrote:
ermm stella is fine as it is

I don't really see a reason why people want her nerf

Okay, you clearly doesn't know why she's broken.

1. Charge Delay shots on dual beam shooting(muh metuh) that can't miss while dogfighting or either tuned to shoot faster

2. Keep Charge Delay the shit out of people with more stuns + Remote Beam Missiles

3. Glide Boost and run the fuc/k away or dogfight

4. Rinse, and repeat until it's fuc/king dead
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PostSubject: Re: 19/2/2015 New! Union Wars Battle Campaign! Free Battle Garapon Tickets!   Fri Feb 20, 2015 7:53 am

Muh land gunner is stella ood, cS please fix it!

idk if stela is that ine, I just know that I'd want a glide boot nerf more than a Stella one.

until then...

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PostSubject: Re: 19/2/2015 New! Union Wars Battle Campaign! Free Battle Garapon Tickets!   Fri Feb 20, 2015 9:19 am

stella doesn't really need a change beyond a general change to glide boost. Just changing that would make a lot of her apparent power vanish, as she'd lose most of her ability to fly through teams killing whatever she wants.
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PostSubject: Re: 19/2/2015 New! Union Wars Battle Campaign! Free Battle Garapon Tickets!   Fri Feb 20, 2015 10:23 am

@VietPho wrote:
Una-Tan's homoru needs a second nerf.
Stop dying to scrubs.
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PostSubject: Re: 19/2/2015 New! Union Wars Battle Campaign! Free Battle Garapon Tickets!   Fri Feb 20, 2015 10:33 am

@aosepsa wrote:


Okay, you clearly doesn't know why she's broken.

1. Charge Delay shots on dual beam shooting(muh metuh) that can't miss while dogfighting or either tuned to shoot faster

2. Keep Charge Delay the shit out of people with more stuns + Remote Beam Missiles

3. Glide Boost and run the fuc/k away or dogfight

4. Rinse, and repeat until it's fuc/king dead

And trintia heals thousands of hp per minute while being almost impossible to kill, homura has very consistent damage output that's hard to avoid while having a lot of escape tools to keep herself safe, theia does the same damage as stella but trades status for more range/safety and a bounce stun that actually hits people sometimes, etc.

Welcome to cosmic break where there are a ton of op robots, even if changing one of them is a minor step in the right direction you're just going to have a new thing to complain about. There's a reason why these last nerfs to theia/homura/berz were fairly minor and it's because the top tier robots aren't actually that different in strength compared to each other. Nerfing them all is an okay idea (expanding what would fit into toppest tier) but nerfing only 1 of them doesn't do shit.
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PostSubject: Re: 19/2/2015 New! Union Wars Battle Campaign! Free Battle Garapon Tickets!   Fri Feb 20, 2015 10:45 am

You should remove those blinkers.
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PostSubject: Re: 19/2/2015 New! Union Wars Battle Campaign! Free Battle Garapon Tickets!   Fri Feb 20, 2015 11:27 am

>Trintia
>Amy

I don't see the problem with them, lol, they are just fucking healers...

>Homura

She already took a deserved nerf...

>Glint Eris

What? I can't call any melee as OP in this meta, when almost everything is anti-melee...

>Nora

The only problem that i can see is with the anti-homo bit...

>Theia/Eve/Berz

Ok they are OP, i can't disagree...


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PostSubject: Re: 19/2/2015 New! Union Wars Battle Campaign! Free Battle Garapon Tickets!   Fri Feb 20, 2015 12:27 pm

Trintia:

  • perma clearance + all guard
  • self heal
  • AoE GV bounce projectile
  • 60 ammo guard (double the amount of ammo for other melee)
  • godtier tracking melee that is short and fast (harder to avoid compared to long melee strings) with last hit as spinstun knockback poke
  • access to all 3 guard types and no weakness
  • easy to build
  • access to wide wb pool (high camo bit for darkness hide eris playstyle)


Amy:
I don't know much about her but Azure and V can actually defend themselves and that's beautiful.

Buff Devastator:
beginner legal


I dislike how they make games hella slow, but with modern units shitting out so much damage...


Theia - fucked by any sort of boost steal
Eve- I'm still trying to figure out an answer. Probably scram mod or some shit for me.
Berz - boost steal, other arts
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PostSubject: Re: 19/2/2015 New! Union Wars Battle Campaign! Free Battle Garapon Tickets!   Fri Feb 20, 2015 12:41 pm

I think I'll go for air melee with slow tune to solve Eve :v

Well who knows =w=/
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PostSubject: Re: 19/2/2015 New! Union Wars Battle Campaign! Free Battle Garapon Tickets!   Fri Feb 20, 2015 1:31 pm

I agree with BipBop and PepperMinty.

-Stella isn't anything special when compared with what you see in the top5 of a AAA arena room. It might seem like a Point, Click and Win bot, but have you people actually used her? Hell, unless you've range tuned the leading gun, her shooting range is pretty short. She needs the stun and a debuff to perform her function of a front line air. If you jerk her down from the mountain peak, people would then start bitching about something else. (If you listen, you can hear the masses groan, "FKN EVE.. fuck that Amlin.. I hate Mialy A.. god damn that Monigga.. tryhard Tulipshit.")

-I own two Stellas, so far, and I'd be perfectly fine with a glide boost nerf. That would not only slightly lower her relative power level without negatively affecting her weapons, but also slightly lower the power level of the 90-gallons-of-menstrual-fluid-EVE. Both bots could still perform their function with the movement balance adjusted, they'd just absorb more bullets than they do now.

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PostSubject: Re: 19/2/2015 New! Union Wars Battle Campaign! Free Battle Garapon Tickets!   Fri Feb 20, 2015 1:58 pm

Just wanna add my honest opinion....at least stella doesn't have homing weapon ヽ(*≧ω≦)ノ
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PostSubject: Re: 19/2/2015 New! Union Wars Battle Campaign! Free Battle Garapon Tickets!   Fri Feb 20, 2015 2:00 pm

This is broken, what do? But that is broken too! What do? More things are broken? Do nothing.


Can we start adding immunities to opposing types when the debuff ends up countering the counter?
That would be fun to see (considering that it already exists).


Next Stella has homing it seems? Better yet, it has properties of slicers as well. But guess it got the debuff changed to a different weapon?
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PostSubject: Re: 19/2/2015 New! Union Wars Battle Campaign! Free Battle Garapon Tickets!   Fri Feb 20, 2015 4:39 pm

@colfenor1337 wrote:
Just wanna add my honest opinion....at least stella doesn't have homing weapon ヽ(*≧ω≦)ノ

if she had homing weapon I could just AH through her shit.
homing weapons are a weakness, folks.
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PostSubject: Re: 19/2/2015 New! Union Wars Battle Campaign! Free Battle Garapon Tickets!   Fri Feb 20, 2015 5:01 pm

@God is a Cat Girl wrote:
This is broken, what do? But that is broken too! What do? More things are broken? Do nothing.

Is anyone even saying this? If you have a couple dozen or so toppest tier robots and remove one of them does it really change that much? Maybe it shifts the power around within robots of similar power level (e.g. remove stella -> lnds and other airs more powerful) but does it really solve any problems? It'd still be all the same robots dominating the game minus one. If they wanted to balance the game nerfing 1 thing is like pissing in the ocean hoping to turn it yellow.

More nerfs to things are welcome but limited balancing attempts don't really impact the game that much (see berz, homura, hanna, theia) and whining for one thing to be nerfed when it's not really out of line compared to so many other things just looks like whining that your robot got owned.

@God is a Cat Girl wrote:

Can we start adding immunities to opposing types when the debuff ends up countering the counter?
That would be fun to see (considering that it already exists).

This game has never had hard counters, arts only beat stella if they can keep their distance (or are berz or homura) and 250 range is really pretty short compared to most things released in the last year or so.

@God is a Cat Girl wrote:

Next Stella has homing it seems? Better yet, it has properties of slicers as well. But guess it got the debuff changed to a different weapon?

Her beam thing seems pretty sad, 15 force @ 540 int and still only 250 range? And homing is always worse unless the bullets are gigantic. Paper stats can be deceiving but that doesn't sound good and her other gun just looks like eve cannon with 30 ammo Sad She's also missing the big op thing about stella, prop buff boost extends to synergize w/ glide boost.
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