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PostSubject: Re: Most random thing you've seen or done today on CB?   Wed Mar 19, 2014 2:52 pm

I used to send plenty of tickets about balance. This and that is underpowered, this and that is OP/broken, this or that weapon/moe doesn't work at all and people aren't getting their money's worth and it could be fixed with simple changes.
But yeah, got sick of writing shit that never goes through.

Meanwhile, Icy is still bugged, Elisa is still a useless fat bitch, Bikini Rouche is still fat and for the major part, useless, Geminion R still has a gigantic timer for the lock while any moe gets almost instant locks, Shana Veil still has tracking issues, her cost is still too high and her sub is pure shit, GV still fails to do what it was designed to, Ult Monica is rather crappy still, Burst Missile AMJ cost is still too low, Hiverion bit is pretty shit while R is 1000000 times better while not carrying any penalties, a million mod weapons are crap instead of simply having equivalent changes, Pepo Candy is still shit, ALE Lily (like other Lily) has shit HP, her main weapon still fails to be useful and the main weapon can also cripple other weapons, School Icy is still a cripple, at least 2 of the Xmas moes have tracking issues, Genbu Dust still needs a buff, Acht WT and EL cores still need adjustments, cooldown issues still exist and only sol volca BS deserves to be fixed it seems, FC still has infinite ammo, etc, etc, etc.


Laz buffs were a bit silly, as some were a bit too much (while others didn't really help at all). Though it's funny how one of her buffs, made it so one of her abilities isn't as useful anymore. Before you could backpedal and use blaze burst, now it tends to shoot it somewhere else. The enemy can be at point blank, and it will still miss it.


I find the buff, nerf and balance rate to be pretty poor.
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PostSubject: Re: Most random thing you've seen or done today on CB?   Wed Mar 19, 2014 3:10 pm

hi i'm the cyberstep defense team

icy's bug is a flaw in the game coding. Cyberstep is not in the business of rewriting game coding.

What do you think GV is supposed to do? It actually does more than what it's supposed to do, to the point of fucking up certain bots and causing them to not function properly(see: zwei.)

ALE lily is supposed to have shit HP, it's part of what makes her balanced. If you didn't notice, she has a built-in long range buff and can equip some utterly retarded parts to abuse said long range buff. If you are EVER taking damage with ALE lily, you're not using her as intended.

Yes, there's a lot of shit in this game. Cyberstep doesn't spend time fixing the issues on random shit because of the sheer number of things that are in the game - the general answer you will find is simple: if it doesn't work, play something that does. You have plenty of options.

You find the rate poor because you expect this game to be something it isn't. You can be like tickle and bitch about average things not being worth playing because they aren't overpowered, or you can accept that you don't like losing and only play things that win.
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PostSubject: Re: Most random thing you've seen or done today on CB?   Wed Mar 19, 2014 3:48 pm

Icy's ammo count is bugged. Some patch broke it, they never fixed it.

There's bots that give GV, and happen to still give the whole stunlock while ignoring GV. Others that would give GV, rarely ever do.

ALE Lily is pretty limited when it comes to her buff. You either have a small amount of charges and have enough capa to fit something like a parasol and get good stats, or get EIW for more charges and have no capa. Her psygun makes it so you can't really switch between weapons because of the global cooldown that it gives, which lasts over a second to go away. For it to be... decent, it requires you to hug the PS, and LR won't really help it.
Get wardus HD2, and you have something a lot better. How does HP balance her instead of making her crap when her EIW and weapons already makes her pretty crappy. Everything is her conflicts against each other.
I did play parasol ALE Lily (and supposedly was to actually tune her), and it plays... well, but in the end, it feels subpar anyway. And building her is hell. 3 charges doesn't really make her not take damage (well, not even LR does that now) and the moment you try to get EIW, you will be losing carts, parts or stats, or will end up throwing capa tunes at her. Hell, even giving the simplest tunes to a parasol is atrocious. And to make things worse, her HP is shit.

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You find the rate poor because you expect this game to be something it isn't. You can be like tickle and bitch about average things not being worth playing because they aren't overpowered, or you can accept that you don't like losing and only play things that win.

It's because some things simply doesn't work.

I can put a parasol on school Icy and get decent results. Hey cool, I'm on top 10, but in the end, the bot itself still has stupid shit that isn't working enough to even make it decent without using something that by itself can be pretty dumb.
I can shoot shit with a parasol from miles away with ALE Lily, or do the same with a lnd and still have good mobility, a shield and +100 hp (or more).

In the end, not like it all matter much, unless we have JP agreeing with it, and still, CS doesn't really give much of a shit about balance, as we can see.
They can do 2 buff/debuff/balance patches a year and people will still think that they are doing a lot. Well, between nothing and a little, it can be a lot.


But nevermind, they buff Elcott, because she surely needed a buff more than anything else in the game, so everything is alright now.
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PostSubject: Re: Most random thing you've seen or done today on CB?   Wed Mar 19, 2014 5:24 pm

Hi

Ivis BF exists

And its utterly retarded

It's ok though

I adapt

I build flapjack arms

Problem solved right?
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PostSubject: Re: Most random thing you've seen or done today on CB?   Wed Mar 19, 2014 5:54 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Most random thing you've seen or done today on CB?   Wed Mar 19, 2014 6:08 pm

@Winty wrote:
If you didn't notice, she has a built-in long range buff and can equip some utterly retarded parts to abuse said long range buff. If you are EVER taking damage with ALE lily, you're not using her as intended.

This is unrelated to the subject at hand but I've seen this explanation being given for other bots legitimately and I just wanna say that people can actually move towards you and maps are limited so realistically, there's no way to not take damage unless a) other team is retarded 2) you're really fucking sneaky.

I think I was told that if I'm close to the enemy with my Absol I'm not using him as intended (because his homing's better at long range) but every player and his extended family know this and will purposefully move right up to my face and proceed to cockblock me. And if I try to get away, they either have more or the same speed as I do so they can follow me. Plus, I can only back away so far.

I was going nowhere with this. Was just saying: things don't always go the way you want them to.


Inb4 "you're just bad at this game"
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PostSubject: Re: Most random thing you've seen or done today on CB?   Wed Mar 19, 2014 6:18 pm

I think I've seen couple of times someone using Ivis BF/Reine with Jet Accel BS to run away with. It was really hard to deal with. I was thinking, "Was that a LND Hikaru?" D:
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PostSubject: Re: Most random thing you've seen or done today on CB?   Wed Mar 19, 2014 6:22 pm

@colfenor1337 wrote:
I think I've seen couple of times someone using Ivis BF/Reine with Jet Accel BS to run away with. It was really hard to deal with. I was thinking, "Was that a LND Hikaru?" D:
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PostSubject: Re: Most random thing you've seen or done today on CB?   Wed Mar 19, 2014 7:15 pm

ALE Lily's low HP means that if you actually get in her face then she dies pretty much instantly. I kind of hoped this wasn't necessary to explain.

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PostSubject: Re: Most random thing you've seen or done today on CB?   Wed Mar 19, 2014 8:11 pm

Wait... REALLY?!
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PostSubject: Re: Most random thing you've seen or done today on CB?   Wed Mar 19, 2014 8:14 pm

@g-nome wrote:
ALE Lily's low HP means that if you actually get in her face then she dies pretty much instantly. I kind of hoped this wasn't necessary to explain.

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hurrdurr i think we all knew that =v= that why we have cs buff their hp Duhhh
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PostSubject: Re: Most random thing you've seen or done today on CB?   Wed Mar 19, 2014 8:31 pm

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@Winty wrote:
If you didn't notice, she has a built-in long range buff and can equip some utterly retarded parts to abuse said long range buff. If you are EVER taking damage with ALE lily, you're not using her as intended.

This is unrelated to the subject at hand but I've seen this explanation being given for other bots legitimately and I just wanna say that people can actually move towards you and maps are limited so realistically, there's no way to not take damage unless a) other team is retarded 2) you're really fucking sneaky.

I think I was told that if I'm close to the enemy with my Absol I'm not using him as intended (because his homing's better at long range) but every player and his extended family know this and will purposefully move right up to my face and proceed to cockblock me. And if I try to get away, they either have more or the same speed as I do so they can follow me. Plus, I can only back away so far.

I was going nowhere with this. Was just saying: things don't always go the way you want them to.


Inb4 "you're just bad at this game"

you're just bad at this game.

with proper weapons on ALE lily you will be locking onto targets, and hitting them, from OUTSIDE OF DRAW DISTANCE.

Yes, it needs capa tunes. Some things need capa tunes. Yes, tuning is a horrific experience.

People are getting in your face when you're absol?
This is why you have accel roll. And aura. You have a longer boost gauge and can mash on accel roll to run away longer than they can.

Things don't always go the way you want them to? Yeah, that's how games work. That's why it's a game. People make mistakes. That's why we play games, because the outcome isn't always the same. Maybe some guy is actually running a good air to air build and will chase you down. This is called getting counterpicked. You need to learn to avoid things that will kill you. Or recognize this beforehand and not play things that are getting counterpicked.

If there's an instant melee rush, ALE lily will probably have problems. Then again, most artillery will. If you're in a standoff artillery wall situation, ALE lily will dominate fucking everything with proper weapons.

If your frontline collapses to a melee rush, the majority of artillery will be fucked. Even the ones that aren't ALE lily.
While some things, like those ragna builds, sit there and then unload on anything that comes in range, ALE lily just shoots the other artillery line from outside it's range, because it's ALE lily. That's her job.

so pretty much, you're just bad at the game.


@Axanael wrote:
Hi
Ivis BF exists
And its utterly retarded
It's ok though
I adapt
I build flapjack arms
Problem solved right?

No you're supposed to use lex resha to beat ivis, are you stupid or something?
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PostSubject: Re: Most random thing you've seen or done today on CB?   Wed Mar 19, 2014 8:36 pm

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How does HP balance her instead of making her crap when her EIW and weapons already makes her pretty crappy.
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PostSubject: Re: Most random thing you've seen or done today on CB?   Wed Mar 19, 2014 9:08 pm

additionally

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There's bots that give GV, and happen to still give the whole stunlock while ignoring GV. Others that would give GV, rarely ever do.

GV ISN'T ABOUT STUNLOCK. THAT IS NOT WHAT IT DOES.

GV prevents certain launches/knockbacks. NOT STUNS.

Take zwei. Her chiv blade is an AoE stun followed by what should be a massive knockback. Due to the FIRST HIT(the stun) applying GV, the knockback is actually tiny. If you manage to hit with ONLY the second hit, which also applies GV, they get sent flying like they were hit by a daesword.
Note that when you get the tiny knockback, your target is still stunned. Because GV doesn't do shit about stuns because it's not supposed to.

People act like GV is supposed to prevent stunlock which has been around since beta. No. There's a reason only certain things apply it, and it's because it only works on those things. Yes, eris will still stunlock you. Yes, lex resha will still stunlock you. Yes, Luto will still stunlock you.

What it prevents is luto repeatedly using her early melee ender to spike you into the air repeatedly, which makes it hard to WB out of her combo since even if you do WB, you're still stuck in the air. It makes it so that three reshas don't chain voxes and slowly staircase stun a land into the sky where it then is utterly helpless as it falls to the ground. It prevents hypershot reine from just shooting you to death rendering you completely helpless.

Does it do certain bad things? Yes, as evidenced by the zwei example. What it doesn't do, and what it was NEVER SUPPOSED TO DO, is prevent melee stunlock. BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE STUPID.
I blame this misunderstanding on the EN GMs making a shitty translation of the JP patchnotes on gold veil.
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PostSubject: Re: Most random thing you've seen or done today on CB?   Wed Mar 19, 2014 9:12 pm

Meanwhile in vox land.
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PostSubject: Re: Most random thing you've seen or done today on CB?   Wed Mar 19, 2014 9:20 pm

meanwhile in pre-GV vox land
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PostSubject: Re: Most random thing you've seen or done today on CB?   Wed Mar 19, 2014 9:22 pm

There isn't much difference.
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PostSubject: Re: Most random thing you've seen or done today on CB?   Wed Mar 19, 2014 10:58 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Most random thing you've seen or done today on CB?   Thu Mar 20, 2014 12:46 am

@God is a Cat Girl wrote:
There isn't much difference.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkjUe0dzKXU&feature=youtu.be&t=2m49s
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PostSubject: Re: Most random thing you've seen or done today on CB?   Thu Mar 20, 2014 12:55 am



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PostSubject: Re: Most random thing you've seen or done today on CB?   Thu Mar 20, 2014 1:24 am

Hurray, they're finally buffing Lilu! I really liked her design; I hope we see more of her in arena, now.


broken Engrish Lilu buffs:
 

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PostSubject: Re: Most random thing you've seen or done today on CB?   Thu Mar 20, 2014 2:04 am

Dragonail AM (Not AM2) has pretty decent stun rate. (tested on Dyrex's Reisha)
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PostSubject: Re: Most random thing you've seen or done today on CB?   Thu Mar 20, 2014 2:07 am

@nzlk wrote:
@God is a Cat Girl wrote:
There isn't much difference.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkjUe0dzKXU&feature=youtu.be&t=2m49s

I had that happen to me yesterday. 2 Resha took turns in making my fly twice as high as the airs max altitude. I lost over 500 HP without touching the ground.
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PostSubject: Re: Most random thing you've seen or done today on CB?   Thu Mar 20, 2014 2:08 am



can someone please revoke his speaking rights



like seriously
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PostSubject: Re: Most random thing you've seen or done today on CB?   Thu Mar 20, 2014 2:14 am

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can someone please revoke his speaking rights



like seriously

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Triz that AXIS that gets obscene stats with tuning?
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