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PostSubject: Re: The Cosmic Pub - The Right Place to Throw Your CB Shit Around   Thu Feb 06, 2014 5:24 pm

@Strykerr wrote:
Why do people despise k-shield hoppers? I for one would be pretty happy with accel saber being unbanned seeing as there are already good hopping cores allowed. And there shouldn't be an issue with them reigning pure terror because people can just use lightning guns or aila.
Idk, but imo this is directly related to CS profits. Accel Saber is super popular in JP where he, apparently is Rt only(or so I've been told) and there're a lot of super cheap things you can pull-off with it. Maybe CS really just wants you to buy other shit for beginner rules.
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PostSubject: Re: The Cosmic Pub - The Right Place to Throw Your CB Shit Around   Thu Feb 06, 2014 5:26 pm

Well, Accel Saber is RT only in CBID as well. I think he was in CBEU too. I guess we should be glad we got him for UC 'cause it opens up a lot for players that don't charge.
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PostSubject: Re: The Cosmic Pub - The Right Place to Throw Your CB Shit Around   Thu Feb 06, 2014 6:41 pm

@Zwiebel Force wrote:
@Strykerr wrote:
Why do people despise k-shield hoppers? I for one would be pretty happy with accel saber being unbanned seeing as there are already good hopping cores allowed. And there shouldn't be an issue with them reigning pure terror because people can just use lightning guns or aila.
Idk, but imo this is directly related to CS profits. Accel Saber is super popular in JP where he, apparently is Rt only(or so I've been told) and there're a lot of super cheap things you can pull-off with it. Maybe CS really just wants you to buy other shit for beginner rules.

Just a correction. Accel Saber is UC-only in JP.
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PostSubject: Re: The Cosmic Pub - The Right Place to Throw Your CB Shit Around   Thu Feb 06, 2014 8:00 pm

https://i.imgur.com/dxEivml.png

i don't see why we need accel saber. In the end he just gets easier stats by having infinite slots with 2 heads. Other cores can do the same shit if they try.
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PostSubject: Re: The Cosmic Pub - The Right Place to Throw Your CB Shit Around   Sat Feb 08, 2014 6:02 pm

>Log onto CB out of boredom and nostalgia
>See I have 200 Rt from months ago
>Roll 5x on V-day for possible lewd
>Get 2x Hecatocles instead.
>"Oh well, I'll try him out."


Holy shit guys, is this thing legitimately overpowered or has the power creep been such that he's average now?
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PostSubject: Re: The Cosmic Pub - The Right Place to Throw Your CB Shit Around   Sat Feb 08, 2014 6:14 pm

@Winty wrote:
https://i.imgur.com/dxEivml.png

i don't see why we need accel saber. In the end he just gets easier stats by having infinite slots with 2 heads. Other cores can do the same shit if they try.

I'm sorry but the example you have in that picture is somewhat unsatisfactory to me.

It's already mostly tuned, uglier, already 0 str so no bits to help either. It's less of a bot for that but no, not useless.

I see why accel saber is banned but higher tier stuff aren't... so...

Accel:
 

Tec is already better, str still some left, minimal tunes, less cost, less hp but no ex tunes either, enough capa to do whatever you want with it... Yeah, accel is a beast.
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PostSubject: Re: The Cosmic Pub - The Right Place to Throw Your CB Shit Around   Sat Feb 08, 2014 7:13 pm

@Feign wrote:
>Log onto CB out of boredom and nostalgia
>See I have 200 Rt from months ago
>Roll 5x on V-day for possible lewd
>Get 2x Hecatocles instead.
>"Oh well, I'll try him out."


Holy shit guys, is this thing legitimately overpowered or has the power creep been such that he's average now?
Not average, but I guess not OP either. The gara units just got ridiculous at some point. We had an event that allowed you to buy 1s versions of the Guardian Moes among others. I think this sums up the games state pretty well~
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PostSubject: Re: The Cosmic Pub - The Right Place to Throw Your CB Shit Around   Sat Feb 08, 2014 8:16 pm

@Moghul wrote:
Yeah, accel is a beast.

It's exactly because he's a beast that he isn't allowed in beginners.

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I see why accel saber is banned but higher tier stuff aren't... so...

Give me a M LND gunner core that does Accel Saber's job better.

Literally, the only carts he is missing is Fast Recovery, Quick Jump, and Broad Radar (plus Sniper Sight and Soul Eater and Revenge Shot, but those are more situational and I would only really consider Sniper Sight on specific bots).

I have to ask if you read Winty's post.
Other cores can do the same stuff, but they have to try.
Because they don't have as much raw stats (compare Beetlander, a popular M gunner core in beginners according to my experience to Accel Saber, and you'll see the stag beetle doesn't have a stat distribution that is nearly as desirable) and double heads, they have to tune to reach the same stats.

Accel Saber can just do a few tunes, if any, and then he should reach your desired mobility and then you can spend all the rest on TEC and hp and revenge tunes and weapon tunes.

Other cores obviously can't reach that kind of stats. They can, however, get close. That's why they aren't banned.
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PostSubject: Re: The Cosmic Pub - The Right Place to Throw Your CB Shit Around   Sat Feb 08, 2014 8:19 pm

Nerf ice pls.

Tweak damage calculation mechanics so alpha don't have insta facemelt please. I'm a bit tired of playing against bustas who crutch those.
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PostSubject: Re: The Cosmic Pub - The Right Place to Throw Your CB Shit Around   Sat Feb 08, 2014 8:35 pm

@Relict? wrote:

Give me a M LND gunner core that does Accel Saber's job better.

Literally, the only carts he is missing is Fast Recovery, Quick Jump, and Broad Radar (plus Sniper Sight and Soul Eater and Revenge Shot, but those are more situational and I would only really consider Sniper Sight on specific bots).

I have to ask if you read Winty's post.
Other cores can do the same stuff, but they have to try.
Because they don't have as much raw stats (compare Beetlander, a popular M gunner core in beginners according to my experience to Accel Saber, and you'll see the stag beetle doesn't have a stat distribution that is nearly as desirable) and double heads, they have to tune to reach the same stats.

Accel Saber can just do a few tunes, if any, and then he should reach your desired mobility and then you can spend all the rest on TEC and hp and revenge tunes and weapon tunes.

Other cores obviously can't reach that kind of stats. They can, however, get close. That's why they aren't banned.


whoa whoa whoa there

i didn't mean higher tier lnd, just higher tier. a few days ago some guys in forum chat were showing pics of non-beginner banned stuff and they're op even in regular. stuff with built-in guns, etc

and i did understand what winty said. i'm starting to think you're not understanding what i'm saying:

winty said it like it's easy to get to accel saber level with a little more tuning. that is NOT a little more tuning. that is a lot more tuning.

and of course accel is banned just for that reason: you can make a 40/32 striker rifle mod kshield hopper in 1000 cost with 5-6 less than 100% tunes. the thing is, there are bigger fish out there that get through the net.

'tis all i'm sayin'
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PostSubject: Re: The Cosmic Pub - The Right Place to Throw Your CB Shit Around   Sat Feb 08, 2014 10:25 pm

hold the phone
buff devastator is beginner legal
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PostSubject: Re: The Cosmic Pub - The Right Place to Throw Your CB Shit Around   Sat Feb 08, 2014 10:28 pm

Wow really? I guess I have a new medic bot i can play in CF
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PostSubject: Re: The Cosmic Pub - The Right Place to Throw Your CB Shit Around   Sat Feb 08, 2014 10:29 pm

ban Players from rooms themself plox
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PostSubject: Re: The Cosmic Pub - The Right Place to Throw Your CB Shit Around   Sat Feb 08, 2014 10:36 pm

@Winty wrote:
hold the phone
buff devastator is beginner legal
Welp gg time to go find a clan/players that have buff dev since he beats the complete shit out of any other viable healer in beginner.

Buff Dev in beginner though. Why.
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PostSubject: Re: The Cosmic Pub - The Right Place to Throw Your CB Shit Around   Sat Feb 08, 2014 10:40 pm

it's okay
we rolled charlotte with melfi and a swimsuit winberl even though they were using it
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PostSubject: Re: The Cosmic Pub - The Right Place to Throw Your CB Shit Around   Sat Feb 08, 2014 10:49 pm

@Miko Miko Spark wrote:
@Winty wrote:
hold the phone
buff devastator is beginner legal
Welp gg time to go find a clan/players that have buff dev since he beats the complete shit out of any other viable healer in beginner.

Buff Dev in beginner though. Why.

Why not? not too many mecha medics that can drop fields in beginner after all and it's not like it gives all guard like a certain other bot.
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PostSubject: Re: The Cosmic Pub - The Right Place to Throw Your CB Shit Around   Sat Feb 08, 2014 10:51 pm

because it's the only AoE field healer in beginner, and it's INSTANT heal with LR on top of it.
note that all auto-repair healers are banned as well.
it's completely out of place.
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PostSubject: Re: The Cosmic Pub - The Right Place to Throw Your CB Shit Around   Sat Feb 08, 2014 10:56 pm

Oh really, my bad, I could of sworn one of the field deploying reginas was beginner too
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PostSubject: Re: The Cosmic Pub - The Right Place to Throw Your CB Shit Around   Sat Feb 08, 2014 11:00 pm

@Winty wrote:
because it's the only AoE field healer in beginner, and it's INSTANT heal with LR on top of it.
note that all auto-repair healers are banned as well.
it's completely out of place.

Isn't there School Crimrose?

A lot less ammo, though.
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PostSubject: Re: The Cosmic Pub - The Right Place to Throw Your CB Shit Around   Sat Feb 08, 2014 11:03 pm

I think it was chibi regina that I was thinking of, it's beginner legal and drop repair fields
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PostSubject: Re: The Cosmic Pub - The Right Place to Throw Your CB Shit Around   Sat Feb 08, 2014 11:05 pm

Yes, but it's a chibi.

You're sacrificing one of your members to use a bot that can't defend itself (in most cases).

The other bots with repair fields can.
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PostSubject: Re: The Cosmic Pub - The Right Place to Throw Your CB Shit Around   Sat Feb 08, 2014 11:11 pm

True, I guess that is a bit unfair, though I guess there's always melfi to help, she's beginner legal too well at least the original one is.

But yea It would be nice to have a list of the changed to beginner allowed bots and parts too
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PostSubject: Re: The Cosmic Pub - The Right Place to Throw Your CB Shit Around   Sat Feb 08, 2014 11:20 pm

CS not listing their shit is a tradition designed to piss me and everyone else off
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PostSubject: Re: The Cosmic Pub - The Right Place to Throw Your CB Shit Around   Sat Feb 08, 2014 11:42 pm

disregard what I said about lack of strong melee - evil halb is allowed, just use that.

as expected harrier accel does jack shit without eris and machintlet to farm.
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PostSubject: Re: The Cosmic Pub - The Right Place to Throw Your CB Shit Around   Sat Feb 08, 2014 11:43 pm

If BD is legal now, they should allow Priestol Q.. and possibly Vagina WindBarrel.

At least you have to wait a while for their healing to happen.
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