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PostSubject: Persuasion Speech, help! x.x   Thu Dec 02, 2010 7:54 am

I have to a persuasion speech to give next Thursday and I don't have a clue what I should do! >.<
Do you guys have any ideas?
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PostSubject: Re: Persuasion Speech, help! x.x   Thu Dec 02, 2010 7:54 am

persuading to do what?
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PostSubject: Re: Persuasion Speech, help! x.x   Thu Dec 02, 2010 8:40 am

Do your speech based on morals,
And how the socially accepted normal is a manufactured product of what people forced to believe ourselves on hundreds of years ago,
Oh and question religion.
Not "there is no god" crap,
But actually have to referencing towards the "morally correct"
And what "we should be doing"

As long as you do it correctly,
You'll most likely blow your fucking teacher's mind,
That, or you'll probably have your whole class heckling you.

"If you don't believe in what you're going to say in,
It's not worth talking about"
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PostSubject: Re: Persuasion Speech, help! x.x   Thu Dec 02, 2010 1:45 pm

@Desu wrote:
Do your speech based on morals,
And how the socially accepted normal is a manufactured product of what people forced to believe ourselves on hundreds of years ago,
Oh and question religion.
Not "there is no god" crap,
But actually have to referencing towards the "morally correct"
And what "we should be doing"

As long as you do it correctly,
You'll most likely blow your fucking teacher's mind,
That, or you'll probably have your whole class heckling you.

"If you don't believe in what you're going to say in,
It's not worth talking about"

That's good but I'd rather not do it on religion. ^^"
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PostSubject: Re: Persuasion Speech, help! x.x   Thu Dec 02, 2010 6:30 pm

How about stuff on racism around the world?
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PostSubject: Re: Persuasion Speech, help! x.x   Thu Dec 02, 2010 9:06 pm

@Desu wrote:
Do your speech based on morals,
And how the socially accepted normal is a manufactured product of what people forced to believe ourselves on hundreds of years ago,
Except that research is pointing more and more towards the idea that the core of what we think of as "moral values" is based on basic survival instinct, not just for the individual, but for the species. Meaning basic right and wrong (not simply religious rules, but the emotions of guilt, righteousness, hate, love, etc.) are in a sense derived from logic and therefore can in many cases be objectively determined.

Of course, there are some seriously bullshit rules (no fish on friday, all of Leviticus, etc. in the bible) but deep down everybody knows which ones are bullshit, because they don't jibe with the objective sense of right and wrong that most people share as part of their core survival instincts.

Just saying, persuasion can go either way.
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PostSubject: Re: Persuasion Speech, help! x.x   Thu Dec 02, 2010 10:51 pm

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Except that research is pointing more and more towards the idea that the core of what we think of as "moral values" is based on basic survival instinct, not just for the individual, but for the species. Meaning basic right and wrong (not simply religious rules, but the emotions of guilt, righteousness, hate, love, etc.) are in a sense derived from logic and therefore can in many cases be objectively determined.

Of course, there are some seriously bullshit rules (no fish on friday, all of Leviticus, etc. in the bible) but deep down everybody knows which ones are bullshit, because they don't jibe with the objective sense of right and wrong that most people share as part of their core survival instincts.

Just saying, persuasion can go either way.

Persuasion can do a lot towards a man's will and one's way of thinking.
Take for instance one person's lust for greed,
That single person will exploit another person's guilt towards the point of morality,
The victim of the single exploit will continue believing until he decides to finally question his morality,
Assuming that will only happen with help from an outside cause,
Be it a third person in the situation,
Or some sort of matter relating directly towards the situation.

We,
As human beings,
Have no longer a need for our survival instinct in the daily lives,
Yet people still chose to live their daily lives based on their morality.

Disregard all moral instincts,
Including all things "right and wrong"
And you will bring yourself peace among humanity,
Although it will only become temporary as with peace,
Comes destruction.
(I.e. galactic invasion, food requirements, plagues)

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PostSubject: Re: Persuasion Speech, help! x.x   Thu Dec 02, 2010 10:59 pm

Sean24 wrote:
I have to a persuasion speech to give next Thursday and I don't have a clue what I should do! >.<
Do you guys have any ideas?

Do you have at least a basic topic for a persuasive speech? What are you presuading your audience to do or believe in?

aka, what Hyoka said.
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PostSubject: Re: Persuasion Speech, help! x.x   Thu Dec 02, 2010 11:58 pm

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Sean24 wrote:
I have to a persuasion speech to give next Thursday and I don't have a clue what I should do! >.<
Do you guys have any ideas?

Do you have at least a basic topic for a persuasive speech? What are you presuading your audience to do or believe in?

aka, what Hyoka said.

It can be anything but I don't have a clue what to do it on. x.x
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PostSubject: Re: Persuasion Speech, help! x.x   Fri Dec 03, 2010 1:09 pm

@Desu wrote:
@Feign wrote:
Except that research is pointing more and more towards the idea that the core of what we think of as "moral values" is based on basic survival instinct, not just for the individual, but for the species. Meaning basic right and wrong (not simply religious rules, but the emotions of guilt, righteousness, hate, love, etc.) are in a sense derived from logic and therefore can in many cases be objectively determined.

Of course, there are some seriously bullshit rules (no fish on friday, all of Leviticus, etc. in the bible) but deep down everybody knows which ones are bullshit, because they don't jibe with the objective sense of right and wrong that most people share as part of their core survival instincts.

Just saying, persuasion can go either way.

Persuasion can do a lot towards a man's will and one's way of thinking.
Take for instance one person's lust for greed,
That single person will exploit another person's guilt towards the point of morality,
The victim of the single exploit will continue believing until he decides to finally question his morality,
Assuming that will only happen with help from an outside cause,
Be it a third person in the situation,
Or some sort of matter relating directly towards the situation.
True, there are ways to manipulate any situation. The greedy person has the option of disregarding or even completely removing his own conscience for the betterment of himself over the betterment of his community or of humanity as a whole. Then arguably, the problem isn't with morality, but the fact that not everyone has it in equal part. Thing is, when the greedy person decides to prey upon the generous person, or the lazy person chooses to prey on the productive person, they cease to become a member of the society and become a parasite upon it. Generally, a society can support a pretty large number of parasites without issue, but parasites without a host can't support each other for very long.

@Desu wrote:
We,
As human beings,
Have no longer a need for our survival instinct in the daily lives,
Yet people still chose to live their daily lives based on their morality.
We as individuals don't need survival instinct on a day to day basis, but the complete lack of self-preservation as a society has in the past lead to society's weakening and inevitably, collapse even if the individuals in it were comfortable right up to the end.

@Desu wrote:
Disregard all moral instincts,
Including all things "right and wrong"
And you will bring yourself peace among humanity,
Although it will only become temporary as with peace,
Comes destruction.
(I.e. galactic invasion, food requirements, plagues)
Except that violence is never right in that it never benefits the species as a whole, only sometimes the wrongness of violence is ignored for a greater good, or the illusion of a greater good created by someone who is ignoring their morality altogether. Giving up right and wrong is something like giving up gravity. Weather or not you choose to acknowledge the benefit or detriment to humanity, it's still present with every choice. It's true, an anarchic society can function peacefully given a very sparse population over a very productive area (that is to say, corpses are remarkably peaceful), but such a society can't put up any defense against invasion, predation, or even natural geological change... Essentially, it's peaceful (after most of the population is dead and looted), but doomed.

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PostSubject: Re: Persuasion Speech, help! x.x   Fri Dec 03, 2010 1:49 pm

You guys aren't helping at all. =(
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PostSubject: Re: Persuasion Speech, help! x.x   Fri Dec 03, 2010 4:32 pm

Sean24 wrote:
You guys aren't helping at all. =(
Sorry! sorry! Shocked

Though as you see, both of us were debating morality without even bringing religion into the picture. There is a fine line between debate and persuasion, the main thing being that a persuasive paper has a specific format... (The simplest one I found from a straight google search: Persuasive Essay Format)

Print out a copy of the format and put together at least ideas for each portion, if you have trouble with a specific portion, I'll be able to better help there.

The subject doesn't have to be something as deep and mysterious as the possible existence of an objective morality, just start with a statement that you'd use to start a conversation, "The internet is a perfectly healthy place to meet people." or "Multi-player online games are just as social as going to a mall." etc.

Doesn't have to be totally original, "A [insert political position] government is the best course for [insert country]" is a classic that will never get old. Though you might want to avoid that one if your teacher is a close minded extremist of some political position...
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PostSubject: Re: Persuasion Speech, help! x.x   Fri Dec 03, 2010 5:49 pm

@Feign wrote:
Sean24 wrote:
You guys aren't helping at all. =(
Sorry! sorry! Shocked

Though as you see, both of us were debating morality without even bringing religion into the picture. There is a fine line between debate and persuasion, the main thing being that a persuasive paper has a specific format... (The simplest one I found from a straight google search: Persuasive Essay Format)

Print out a copy of the format and put together at least ideas for each portion, if you have trouble with a specific portion, I'll be able to better help there.

The subject doesn't have to be something as deep and mysterious as the possible existence of an objective morality, just start with a statement that you'd use to start a conversation, "The internet is a perfectly healthy place to meet people." or "Multi-player online games are just as social as going to a mall." etc.

Doesn't have to be totally original, "A [insert political position] government is the best course for [insert country]" is a classic that will never get old. Though you might want to avoid that one if your teacher is a close minded extremist of some political position...

My teacher is pretty open. He's really cool. =D
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PostSubject: Re: Persuasion Speech, help! x.x   Fri Dec 03, 2010 9:03 pm

@Feign wrote:
@Desu wrote:
Do your speech based on morals,
And how the socially accepted normal is a manufactured product of what people forced to believe ourselves on hundreds of years ago,
Except that research is pointing more and more towards the idea that the core of what we think of as "moral values" is based on basic survival instinct, not just for the individual, but for the species. Meaning basic right and wrong (not simply religious rules, but the emotions of guilt, righteousness, hate, love, etc.) are in a sense derived from logic and therefore can in many cases be objectively determined.

Of course, there are some seriously bullshit rules (no fish on friday, all of Leviticus, etc. in the bible) but deep down everybody knows which ones are bullshit, because they don't jibe with the objective sense of right and wrong that most people share as part of their core survival instincts.

Just saying, persuasion can go either way.

Most of the rules in Leviticus were designed to keep the people from getting sick, they were just things meant to keep the people healthy and clean. It wasn't like today with all the advances in health care and sanitizing that we currently have, back then you really did need a bunch of absurd rules to keep them from doing stupid things that could make them sick.

The no fish on Friday thing that the Catholics observe wasn't even a Biblical thing, some Pope had money invested or friends who had money invested elsewhere in the food economy and so got them doing it for personal reasons, I can't remember the entire story though. . .
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PostSubject: Re: Persuasion Speech, help! x.x   Fri Dec 03, 2010 11:44 pm

And poor Sun just got completely ignored... D:
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PostSubject: Re: Persuasion Speech, help! x.x   Sat Dec 04, 2010 12:04 am

sunjae429 wrote:
How about stuff on racism around the world?

I don't want to do it on racism. D=
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PostSubject: Re: Persuasion Speech, help! x.x   Sat Dec 04, 2010 2:10 am

@Andaros wrote:
Most of the rules in Leviticus were designed to keep the people from getting sick, they were just things meant to keep the people healthy and clean. It wasn't like today with all the advances in health care and sanitizing that we currently have, back then you really did need a bunch of absurd rules to keep them from doing stupid things that could make them sick.

The no fish on Friday thing that the Catholics observe wasn't even a Biblical thing, some Pope had money invested or friends who had money invested elsewhere in the food economy and so got them doing it for personal reasons, I can't remember the entire story though. . .
Right, both of those had no reason being in a book that was otherwise supposed to be an attempt in outlining a standardized morality. The Roman government got a hold of it and basically tossed in their own political schemes in much the same way that today's government throws budget earmarks into otherwise unrelated legal documents. They did do a lot towards standardizing the many different books into one volume, but the Roman political crap was almost as bad as current American politics.

sunjae429 wrote:
And poor Sun just got completely ignored... D:
Sean24 wrote:
sunjae429 wrote:
How about stuff on racism around the world?

I don't want to do it on racism. D=
There ya go... Razz

Yeah, at this point, don't write about a subject you'd be uncomfortable talking about among friends.
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PostSubject: Re: Persuasion Speech, help! x.x   Sun Dec 05, 2010 2:26 am

Sean24 wrote:
sunjae429 wrote:
How about stuff on racism around the world?

I don't want to do it on racism. D=

*looks at 17/20* D:
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PostSubject: Re: Persuasion Speech, help! x.x   Sun Dec 05, 2010 4:03 am

@Feign wrote:
True, there are ways to manipulate any situation. The greedy person has the option of disregarding or even completely removing his own conscience for the betterment of himself over the betterment of his community or of humanity as a whole. Then arguably, the problem isn't with morality, but the fact that not everyone has it in equal part. Thing is, when the greedy person decides to prey upon the generous person, or the lazy person chooses to prey on the productive person, they cease to become a member of the society and become a parasite upon it. Generally, a society can support a pretty large number of parasites without issue, but parasites without a host can't support each other for very long.
The thing that first of all makes the greedy person greedy,
Is the fact that he would practically corrupt a system just to get away with his own needs.

And if you haven't noticed,
Our whole race is basically a parasitic community,
Its just the parasites whom live off of ourselves, the biggest parasites,
Just become a pain in the ass as they expect to take away more than what we,
As a parasitic community,
Are already taking away from the environment ourselves.


@Feign wrote:
We as individuals don't need survival instinct on a day to day basis, but the complete lack of self-preservation as a society has in the past lead to society's weakening and inevitably, collapse even if the individuals in it were comfortable right up to the end.
Most of us are already comfortable with how we're living even if we're slowly bringing unto us our demise,
But then again,
It those who actually strive for a change,
Who actually make improvements in our lives.

And to further add into the complications,
It us,
Ourselves,
Who are completely disregarding those who are striving to make a change,
And forcing them to become a part of normal society.

@Feign wrote:
Except that violence is never right in that it never benefits the species as a whole, only sometimes the wrongness of violence is ignored for a greater good, or the illusion of a greater good created by someone who is ignoring their morality altogether. Giving up right and wrong is something like giving up gravity. Weather or not you choose to acknowledge the benefit or detriment to humanity, it's still present with every choice. It's true, an anarchic society can function peacefully given a very sparse population over a very productive area (that is to say, corpses are remarkably peaceful), but such a society can't put up any defense against invasion, predation, or even natural geological change... Essentially, it's peaceful (after most of the population is dead and looted), but doomed.

Violence is just a result of our greed inside the community.
With all of the moral and ethical views inside our society,
They've built up enough upon themselves to create an actual illusion that we're living inside.
Once we're actually able to let go such foolish actions,
We'll not be able to only give up gravity,
But even defy and manipulate it.

@Andaros wrote:

The no fish on Friday thing that the Catholics observe wasn't even a Biblical thing, some Pope had money invested or friends who had money invested elsewhere in the food economy and so got them doing it for personal reasons, I can't remember the entire story though. . .
Here's the quick briefing of the origins of Fish on Fridays.


Many years ago the fisherman discovered how to catch more fish and were unable to sell there extra fish and wanted to have the week end off.
It just so happened that one of the fisherman's wife was the mistress of the current pope.
So she held back her "favors" to the pope until he made it a rule for all those in his kingdom eat fish on Friday.
It became written.
This questions faith and belief,
Whether or not fact or imperial thinking and needs no close examination.
Sort of like religion.
Its all due to gluttony.

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PostSubject: Re: Persuasion Speech, help! x.x   Sun Dec 05, 2010 7:00 am

Give us more details about ur speech. Maybe i'll be able to help after that.
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PostSubject: Re: Persuasion Speech, help! x.x   Sun Dec 05, 2010 11:56 am

Well the first idea that popped into my head was to do a persuasive speech on like a presidential campaign. Except make it more to my interest by changing who the people are. I was thinking about making it Mario vs. Bowser. I asked the teacher if we could do something that isn't real and he said I could. I would just have to set up a world where it is real in the first part of my speech. Then I though about this more at work. I would some how start off by saying something like "Good morning toads and toadettes..." to kinda help set up the world. (I think that the world I need to set up would fall into place once they know who they're suppose to be, who I am, and I'm doing in my persuasive speech.) Then I would say "My name is Luigi and I'm campaigning for my brother Mario in the upcoming 2020 Presidential Election." or something like that. xD

So, what do you guys thing? ;D
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PostSubject: Re: Persuasion Speech, help! x.x   Sun Dec 05, 2010 12:55 pm

Sean24 wrote:
So, what do you guys thing? ;D

I think you probably said.. "So, what do you guys THINK? ;D"

Hmm... It might took me a while on this part of presidential campaign actually. So i'll post my opinoin later ASAP.
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PostSubject: Re: Persuasion Speech, help! x.x   Sun Dec 05, 2010 2:15 pm

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Except make it more to my interest by changing who the people are. I was thinking about making it Mario vs. Bowser.
You win, good sir. Very Happy

As for Desu...
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And if you haven't noticed,
Our whole race is basically a parasitic community,
Its just the parasites whom live off of ourselves, the biggest parasites,
Just become a pain in the ass as they expect to take away more than what we,
As a parasitic community,
Are already taking away from the environment ourselves.
Ehh, this is a huge oversimplification... If someone receives pay, housing, sustenance, etc. from another, that is not necessarily parasitic behavior, so long as they give back something of equal or greater value to their "host" (or employer, or community, whatever it is that they get their living from). Society that operates on a circulatory dependence like that is symbiotic or cooperative rather than parasitic.

As for the idea that we take from the environment. Humanity is a part of the environment, it's a factor that changes the environment, a force within the environment. There's not a wall between society and nature where nature pumped in and shit is pumped out. In most cases, humanity strives to change a situation from chaos to order, purposeless mud into useful jars, for the most simple example. Ore, minerals, and waste hydrocarbons into computers and electronics, for a much more complex example.

It's arguable that the human development of the world can be construed as harmful because it can lead to extinctions when done carelessly, but the species that adapt to a human-dominated environment tend to thrive far more than they would in a natural environment. In my opinion, it's a tossup.

@Desu wrote:
Most of us are already comfortable with how we're living even if we're slowly bringing unto us our demise,
But then again,
It those who actually strive for a change,
Who actually make improvements in our lives.

And to further add into the complications,
It us,
Ourselves,
Who are completely disregarding those who are striving to make a change,
And forcing them to become a part of normal society.
That first part supports my statement, so I'll let it be. Changes that are actually good tend to be embraced in a moral society, machines with greater efficiency that pollute less also cost much less to run over time, methods of doing things that are easier are embraced etcetera. The issue is that today's society isn't a moral one. In many cases it's a political one. Greed tends to stifle competitive creativity, thus why it's generally seen as wrong even at the instinctual level.
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PostSubject: Re: Persuasion Speech, help! x.x   Sun Dec 05, 2010 3:02 pm

@Wolf Hikari wrote:
Sean24 wrote:
So, what do you guys thing? ;D

I think you probably said.. "So, what do you guys THINK? ;D"

Hmm... It might took me a while on this part of presidential campaign actually. So i'll post my opinoin later ASAP.

Damn, I make that typo about 99% of the time! xD

Edit: If you guys have any suggestions on how I should do this speech, please tell me. ^^
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PostSubject: Re: Persuasion Speech, help! x.x   Mon Dec 06, 2010 1:56 am

Sean24 wrote:
@Wolf Hikari wrote:
Sean24 wrote:
So, what do you guys thing? ;D

I think you probably said.. "So, what do you guys THINK? ;D"

Hmm... It might took me a while on this part of presidential campaign actually. So i'll post my opinoin later ASAP.

Damn, I make that typo about 99% of the time! xD

Edit: If you guys have any suggestions on how I should do this speech, please tell me. ^^
Pretty much follow those guidelines I posted the link to earlier. Those are what the teacher will be looking for while grading. The format is what separates a persuasive paper from a rant (or a diatribe, monologue, debate note, etc.). One paragraph intro, including thesis, at least two thick paragraphs with supporting statements and references, and a conclusion with a restatement of the thesis.

Trying to cram in more or worrying about it looking too plain will just make it more complicated than it needs to be.

EDIT: bloody hell, I thought you wanted tips on a persuasive essay rather than a persuasive speech! You want to have something like the bare bones of an essay, make cards with little reminders of each part of it, and just use those. If the teacher wants notes and such, turn in the semi-essay with those. Make sure you have your speech done at least a full day before you have to give the speech. You want that thing in your head as you go to sleep the night before.

Do not try to write the speech word for word on the cards, just reminders. and don't just bring a printout of the script up with you. Nothing kills giving a speech like having to read paragraphs of text aloud in front of people. It may feel like you're missing something, but that's okay. Missing one or two facts and speaking in a natural and engaged voice is vastly preferable to having every fact and delivering like a sleep-inducing drone.
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